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When animals retaliate...
« on: February 24, 2010, 07:11:45 pm »
This is sad, but these are wild animals and if anyone thinks that you can domesticate a wild animal...read this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35566392/ns/us_news-environment/

On another note, I guess it got tried of dragging the trainers ass' all over the water at show time and decided to reciprocate.
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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2010, 11:25:09 pm »
Free Willy.

Dont know why people are surprised every time this happens with a whale or circus animal.
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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2010, 04:31:38 am »
domestic animals attack people too...

Those animals, (killer whales) shouldn't be kept in captivity...they're too big for tanks...

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2010, 07:17:03 am »
Footage ?  :snack:

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2010, 08:01:04 am »
Footage ?  :snack:


you sick fuck!!!


 (I tried to find a clip, but couldn't..but I did find the Georgian luge guy's video)

this is the third death with this whale..although the first was ruled a drowning, the guy still drowned in this whale's tank. (no word on whether he was covered in teeth marks or not)
Why the hell do people not learn? These are NOT pets, they are wild. Leave them alone!! Leave them in the ocean!! FUCK!

(on a good note..last I heard, there were no plans to put the whale down)



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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 09:14:32 am »
These are NOT pets, they are wild. Leave them alone!! Leave them in the ocean!! FUCK!


It's as simple as that people......... The things are called Killer Whales!! How much more of a hint do you need??  :hammer:

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2010, 09:31:43 am »
Footage ?  :snack:



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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2010, 07:57:23 pm »
that video further proves the point...wild animals are wild..leave them where they belong.

It's as simple as that people......... The things are called Killer Whales!! How much more of a hint do you need??  :hammer:


exactly! KILLER whales didn't get that name because they're the oceanic equivalent of a fluffy lil' bunny

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2010, 08:11:27 pm »
Footage ?  :snack:



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Why does watching people get pwned by animals feel...

so...

so...

...right.
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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 07:01:05 am »

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 10:06:11 am »

Why does watching people get pwned by animals feel...

so...

so...

...right.


it doesn't.....UNLESS the person is cruel to an animal first and I am sorry but hugging, kissing and feeding an animal doesn't consitute that....

the killer whale should be released...I believe that...

they claim animals released, starve...

if they release him near a pod, and the pod accepted him then they'd teach him to fend for himself.....I mean, how hard is it for an animal like that to catch something to eat after the others he sees doing it, hunt and feed?

3 people dying is totally unsatisfactory....

clean the pools and make it another aquatic center for the public...recoup financial losses that way.

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 10:12:16 am »
Releasing the whales poses a huge danger to the public….they will naturally gravitate to fishing boats…wreck nets that cost thousands upon thousands of dollar to replace…..and pretty much give everyone the shits.

We had the Japanese pay 3 million dollars to rehabilitate dolphins from a park “Atlantis” Perth WA…only to have those very same dolphins end up being eventually killed by fishermen as they ruined the nets….

They are wild DOMESTICATED animals….they have no natural fears to humans…they think the humans are a source of a free feed....and they will in the wild too.

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2010, 10:16:31 am »
I cannot think of releasing an animal held in captivity for more than 10 years, being hand fed and pampered, and expect it be able to survive in the wild.

I think what they should do is send it to an aquarium to live out it's life, but not to interact with humans again.

As to the video, it reminded me of how the Orca plays with it's food before killing it....see this video:

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2010, 10:47:21 am »

the killer whale should be released...I believe that...


Releasing the whales poses a huge danger to the public….they will naturally gravitate to fishing boats…wreck nets that cost thousands upon thousands of dollar to replace…..and pretty much give everyone the shits.


So which is it? You directly contraindicate yourself with these two posts.

if they release him near a pod, and the pod accepted him then they'd teach him to fend for himself.....


That is a mighty big IF...IF the pod accepted him...which, in all likelyhood, they would not.

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 12:18:04 pm »
I think he should be released.....he could be monitored by satellite and tracked. I think they all should be released….

And they still pose a danger to humans…

You may think everything is black and white, but I know there are pitfalls…so should you. Why is that a contradiction?

If they starve to death, tough. That is nature….the strong live and the weak die.

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 12:50:10 pm »
I cannot think of releasing an animal held in captivity for more than 10 years, being hand fed and pampered, and expect it be able to survive in the wild.

I think what they should do is send it to an aquarium to live out it's life, but not to interact with humans again.

As to the video, it reminded me of how the Orca plays with it's food before killing it....see this video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/uSSiRGIIjbg&hl=en_US&fs=1&



Nah, he is young.....for a killer whale.....

Having no contact with anything he is used to like humans would be detrimental to him since they are practically his only stimulation now....I don't think solitary confinement would be good for this guy....that is actually an act of torture if you think about... that is actually cruel.

So far we have a history of one being released and starving to death, do we know why? Did it have worms? Did he swallow plastic? Did he have whale distemper? Did they do an autopsy to find out?  What?…however, I believe that it is possible, (since it is the only case), they need to do another experiment….if they don’t, how do they know what’s what, for future problems?… I gave an illustration of the dolphins, but who says they knew what they were doing in the rehabilitation process in the first place? I suspect they didn’t.

Instinct will kick in with the whale and why I say that is, over the years, I have rescued chickens…battery hens whose feet never touched the ground. The poultry farmers keep the birds in cages their whole life from hatching to egg laying and until they are 18 months old then they’re replaced with younger more productive birds. I bought some and as soon as I put them on the ground, they started scratching around even though their claws were several inches long and their feet had never touched sand….cutting a long story short.. within a month, no one could tell they’d ever spent a day in a cage….their claws were worn down to normal, their feathers grew out and the colour in their legs turned from white, to a healthy pale yellow and so did their beaks…it was phenomenal.

Now I know the chickens are little harmless creatures…but the point is animals live mainly by instinct….

These animals belong in the wild due to their size. Humans cannot provide a humane enclosure for them…this whale guy, he needs to find a mate…he is now sexually mature and he isn’t going to remain a baby forever… Most animals live fine with people until their breeding bio-clock kicks in….then look out anyone in their way…

Those tanks are inhumane for an animal that size. I am not against animals being enclosed if the enclosure is the correct size for it. They are not.


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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 08:42:33 pm »
Why is that a contradiction?

If they starve to death, tough. That is nature….the strong live and the weak die.


It's a contradiction because in one sentence you are posting Pro-release, and the next, you're posting Con-release. Opposites = contradiction.

Nevertheless, let's move on, shall we?

Your sentiment of "if they starve to death, tough..that is nature" is the most illogical, uneducated statement you've made in this thread. Humans took the 'nature' away from the whales that are held in captivity since birth, or soon thereafter. To take one out of a tank and toss it in the ocean and wish it 'good luck!!' is asinine. Killer whales learn to hunt from their mothers. The urge to hunt is instinctive, but just like with a cougar, bear, or any other predator, the urge is there, but the skills necessary to be successful are learned behaviors..learned from the parent
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Even Keiko, the Free Willy whale, was given over 2 years of intense rehab to teach him how to get by in the wild.

Nah, he is young.....for a killer whale.....


Errr...he's 31 years old...that's OLD for captive whales, who typically live until their mid to late 20's. If he were in the wild, he would live until about 50 to 60, which would still make him middle aged at 31...not young. He's been in captivity since the early 1980's (1983, I believe)--he was captured young but he sure isn't young anymore.

Having no contact with anything he is used to like humans would be detrimental to him since they are practically his only stimulation now....I don't think solitary confinement would be good for this guy....that is actually an act of torture if you think about... that is actually cruel.


I actually agree with that, especially since orcas are such social animals


So far we have a history of one being released and starving to death, do we know why? Did it have worms? Did he swallow plastic? Did he have whale distemper? Did they do an autopsy to find out?  What?…


If you're referring to Free Willy/Keiko...pneumonia was the cause of death. He had pneumonia, beached himself, and died.  He most definitely didn't starve to death.


Instinct will kick in with the whale and why I say that is, over the years, I have rescued chickens…battery hens whose feet never touched the ground. Now I know the chickens are little harmless creatures…but the point is animals live mainly by instinct….


Wrong again...chickens are not taught to eat by their mothers...they do not have to learn to hunt, nor do they have to learn how to be successful predators...Chicks hop out of the shell, pecking the dirt for food. They don't spend the first year of their lives being nursed, then being introduced to meat, then being taught how to catch prey on their own. That is why you can take a newborn chick, separate it from the hen, and the babies won't starve. Do that to a mammal baby, and you'll be left with a starved to death corpse on your hands. the depth to which you are wrong in your analogy is simply too overwhelming.... Suffice it to say...you are WRONG.

this whale guy, he needs to find a mate…he is now sexually mature and he isn't going to remain a baby forever… Most animals live fine with people until their breeding bio-clock kicks in….then look out anyone in their way…


Oh, for Heaven's sake, woman....do some research! Orca males are sexually mature and ready for mating at 10-13 years old..he's way past being a baby or sexually mature, (he's 31, remember?) and this whole attack has nothing to do with his biological clock 'kicking in'. Good Lord. :gaah:

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 09:04:08 pm »
I love the way people don't even get that this 'trainer' is attempting to communicate with a whale in the whales element.

Unsurprisingly the whale begins to see the trainer as a pod member and the result is an inevitable assertion of pod dominance. When will people learn that people might be animals but animals are not people?

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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 09:18:17 pm »
I think there are also times when trained 'wild' animals just snap, and think 'enough of this shit' and attack. I think sometimes it is about 'leader of the pack', but sometimes I think they just get sick and tired of it all. Humans underestimate the intelligence of these creatures.


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Re: When animals retaliate...
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 10:10:10 pm »
If the whale had snapped it would have simply bitten her in half.
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