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The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« on: March 06, 2010, 05:15:27 pm »
Someday this will probably be an Oscar nominated movie directed by Steven Spielberg but for right now I am surprised that it has barely gotten a mention in the American media. There was some buzz about it when it first happened but i havent seen a mention of it since then even though a massive internnational investigation is underway and fascinating new details are being regularly released.

For those who dont know what I'm referring to, let me brief the events. About 2 months ago Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a Palestinian/ Hamas senior military commander, checked into a 5 star hotel in Dubai, UAE. A few hours later, he was found dead in his hotel room with no sign of any struggle.

In the ensuing investigation, surveillance cameras from the hotel, other nearby hotels and the airport show that a hit team was trailing him from the moment he arrived in the country and even prior to that in the hotel where he checked in.

Agents using fake passports, wigs and disguises can be seen throughout the videos. In one scene, after he checked into the hotel and was boarding the elevator/lift to his room, 2 agents innocuously disguised as tennis players coming back from a game can be seen slipping into the elevator and following him to see where his room is without a hint of suspicious activity at the time.

Information released this week by Dubai raised the number of conspiracy suspects from 11 to 26. The Mossad is the Israeli intelligence agency similar to the CIA and MI5 but much more aggressive in going after state enemies. I would say they are more like the KGB. (Watch the spy thriller Munich to get an idea of what they do).

The agents arrived from different countries, stayed at different hotels and worked in different teams to avoid detection. They used fake passports with altered photos of themselves to avoid visual id and encrypted devices to communicate between themselves. It is believed that they used an electronic device to gain entry into the room and then attempted to reprogram when leaving after the hit. Initially when the body was found, it was believed that he died of natural causes in his sleep. That is, until further investigation turned up all these things. The government of Israel has so far neither denied or confirmed any involvement (haw haw).

Here is a news story about it and the unedited surveillance video released thus far.

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Now here's my questions in all this. Assuming that Mossad agents indeed are responsible for this hit and identified, how should they be treated? Are they morally justified in committing first degree murder on behalf of their government or should they be tried and sentenced like any other murder conspiracy? What would be the repercussions for Israel's allies such as to the US and UK if they do not pressure the government of Israel to extradite them for trial and allow them to remain free? 

I imagine the Hannity/Beck types on the far right will pound their chest about how they are "heroes" who were defending their country and should not be tried much like the Americans who waterboarded in Guantanamo or even committed murder in Iraq. Sort of an ends justifies the means type of argument where as long as what they are doing supports their ideology, it is okay but let's switch the facts a little.

What if this were an intelligence hit team from Iran who managed to infiltrate a third country where an American or British military official is staying and the same ending ensues? Same means, same style of killing, different target and different ideology. Would they be considered Iranian heroes who are defending their country against external threats? Or would certain ideologues be posturing for an invasion of Iran and war unless the "terrorists" are turned over?

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2010, 06:20:51 pm »
Whatever this guy may or may not have been, taking a life should be punishable by law. 

If I was to go out and kill a pedophile or a rapist, all for the good of humanity, I would still be a killer and subject to the laws that prevail.  Why is this any different?  Is it because they feel that killing a terrorist they will be safer? Do they think that now all the killings will stop? One thing is certain, another will take his place, and probably retaliate killing innocent people because of what those idiots did, and the bullshit will continue to go on and on and on...
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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2010, 06:36:49 pm »
This type of activity is fairly common practice among the Mosad. Usually though they don't get caught and all of those agents are probably in trouble. No it is not right and they should be subject to prevailing laws. But it is not likely that the Israelis would ever turn them over for prosecution in Dubai.

The penalty they will pay unfortunately is that their Intelligence careers will take a flushing for not staying unseen and untraceable. Not for committing murder. The Israelis look on the terrorist's death as a victory and a just assassination in the defense of the Jewish State. The roots of the Masad lie in the hunt for Nazis after WWII. Some were brought to justice but most were killed outright without trial.

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2010, 07:20:35 pm »
Some years ago i had business dealings with a very large Jewish family in London and i was told that every Jewish boy of a certain social stature is required to attend a training course run by Mosad which includes military/ anti terrorist training or it counts badly against their family in the community. These guys are fuckin serious. 

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2010, 07:38:17 pm »
Some years ago i had business dealings with a very large Jewish family in London and i was told that every Jewish boy of a certain social stature is required to attend a training course run by Mosad which includes military/ anti terrorist training or it counts badly against their family in the community. These guys are fuckin serious.

Yes, I can see assassin written all over this young boys face.... ::)

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2010, 07:49:05 pm »
Great post Brain, I actually read almost all of it...

Being spies they are not covered by the Geneva Convention and therefore the Dubai govt should excercise it's own discretion in how they deal with these people.

Highest bidder wins I guess...

And yes, they are very similar to the KGB...

...or the Gestapo.
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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2010, 09:51:37 am »
I don't think the Hasidics are over interested in politics Ange i think they're more about the hair and hats. But thanks for the pic anyway, i nearly coughed up my lunch laughing.......... Bitch  :slap:

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2010, 01:16:04 pm »
I don't think the Hasidics are over interested in politics Ange i think they're more about the hair and hats. But thanks for the pic anyway, i nearly coughed up my lunch laughing.......... Bitch  :slap:


In NY, Hasidic Jews are extremely political and they have a very high voting turnout as compared to other ethnic groups. Most significantly for pols running for office, they vote as a bloc, and it's not just about stances on Israel, as the Satmar sect is against Zionism, unlike the others. It comes down to more local things like school district business and new water mains.

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2010, 01:22:15 pm »
Last i heard it was a Hamas inside job, no doubt with israeli help.
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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2010, 02:02:13 pm »
To me, the most interesting part in this thus far is watching the unedited tape and getting to see how a sophisticated spy hit team operates. It's amazing how well planned, coordinated and smooth everything seems to be. There is no hint of panic or nervousness or stress which is pretty amazing considering that they are Israelis in an Arab country who are about to assassinate an Arab paramilitary leader. One fuckup by any of them and the entire operation can be not only blown, but their own lives might be at stake if caught during the act.

You see movie stuff where they go into a public restroom and come out with a different disguise. Especially the lady of the team, she wears an assortment of wigs and disguises, i think more to thwart any surveillance cameras than anything else. They had to know there were cameras throughout the hotel if not exactly where. During the actual hit, they all wear hats and kind of keep looking down. Dani thinks the lady isnt even a lady at all but a guy in drag and after she said that and watching it again, i'm beginning to wonder if she is right.

I tend to agree with Terry. I dont think that Israel would ever turn them over for prosecution which in turn is going to put pressure on the United States by arab countries. That might throw a wrench into the cog of this whole war on terror thing. If we can do it to them, then we should STFU when Iran or someone else does it to us. So far the US government hasnt said anything on this which makes me wonder if they themselves were involved in logistical support at the highest intelligence levels. The CIA had to have at least known or had a heads up of an operation this size. It's also noteworthy that a number of the killers had fake British and Irish passports.


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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2010, 02:19:27 pm »
According to Ynetnews, citing a website affiliated with Fatah, Syrian authorities have detained Hamas member Muhammad Nasser in connection with the murder. There has been rampant speculation that someone close to Mahbouh was involved in his murder, since a large team of alleged assassins seemed to know about his travel plans and whereabouts in advance.

Earlier reports had said that Hamas operative Nahro Massoud was being questioned in Damascus. There are also two Palestinians in detention in Dubai on allegations they helped the killers who are affiliated with Fatah.

Mr. Nasser was an associate of Mr. Mabhouh and would have known about his movements, Ynetnews said, adding that they worked together two decades ago in the kidnapping and murder of two Israeli soldiers.

Dubai police have asked Syria to hand Mr. Nasser and other Hamas members over for questioning, the report said, citing an Arab diplomatic source.
Hamas has downplayed the possibility of Palestinian involvement in the murder, saying it will continue to seek reconciliation with Hamas.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2010/0224/Hamas-assassination-Dubai-adds-15-more-suspects-to-investigation

Dubai police are also understood to be questioning two Palestinians arrested last week in the Gulf state in relation to the killing. Their identities are unknown but they are believed to have provided logistical support for the murder operation.

The suspects are alleged to have had contact with the assassination squad during their 19-hour stay in Dubai. They were extradited back to the emirate from Jordan, where they fled after the killing.

Hamas and the Palestinian Authority have launched claim and counter-claim over whose agents they might be and whether al-Mabhouh was betrayed by fellow countrymen.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7030193.ece
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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2010, 02:56:10 pm »
That would not surprise me at all if it holds water since virtually all intelligence operations are inside jobs - bribing those on the other side, planting agents near the enemy, etc.. If it turns out to be true, the scorn towards and fate of those Hamas peeps will probably be worse than the Israeli agents.

It sounds to me like the Dubai police really has their shit together and is doing a masterful job of unraveling everything. The are reported to have dna and fingerprints of several of the killers.


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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2010, 12:30:00 am »
Holy crap that was interesting as fuck. Thanks.

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Re: The Israeli Mossad Hit in Dubai
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2010, 08:54:39 pm »
Dubai investigator haven't done shit....the rich fucks hired "consultants" to point their police in the right direction. 

...an apparent miscalculation from the Mossad.


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