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So what do you guys think about
« on: March 11, 2010, 05:26:48 pm »
The rumors that are circulating that SMF will no longer be supported by it's developers?

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2010, 05:38:56 pm »
They just released an updated version, so at this point, I'm taking it with a grain of salt. With that being said, the folks that have developed this over the years do it for very little, or no pay. I'm kind of surprised it's lasted as long as it has, and is second only, imo, to VB, for mods, themes, and support.

 I'm gonna move this thread to The Third Rail, as it's really not "news"
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2010, 06:52:57 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 11, 2010, 05:26:48 pm
The rumors that are circulating that SMF will no longer be supported by it's developers?


What does that mean?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2010, 07:00:07 pm »
SMF= this forums software
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2010, 07:01:51 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 07:00:07 pm
SMF= this forums software


No, that isn't what I mean....what does it mean for smf boards.....are they going to finish like msn?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2010, 07:07:06 pm »
I suppose if they were to quit, it would mean no more updated forum software (bug/security fixes), perhaps no more mods (as they are normally approved by the developers).

This software is pretty damned popular, so I dont see it happening. There are too many very smart folks that use this. The question would be that if the developers decide to throw in towel, would anyone else be willing to assume the job, and would they be willing to pony up the cash for the rights.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2010, 07:12:20 pm »
I pay full price for my forum..

I just changed it to a news group for the Aussies to come to and leave proboards...none of them want to "flame" per se...

so if these boards fail, I am going to be stuck with egg on my face after just recruiting a bunch of people...

bloody hell...this sucks...
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2010, 07:17:11 pm »
I hate those stupid blog things....multiply, facebook etc.....and joining another board and being at the mercy of dipshit pansy arsed Americans leaves me cold..  :sad:

oh well... ::)
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2010, 07:23:54 pm »
You use SMF? There is no price for this software, it's free.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2010, 07:24:12 pm »
No one says that even if they do completely stop coding new versions of SMF, bug fixes or security fixes you have to stop using the existing software. You'll just be on a stale version (so to speak) for as long as your continue to have your forum alive.

Now, if the developers of Mysql make a drastic change to the way their database works that requires an SMF update to interact with it, and said mysql update is applied then that's a problem.

Other than that, everything is like security is small potatoes if you're taking the right steps to secure your installation to begin with.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2010, 07:27:59 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 11, 2010, 07:17:11 pm
I hate those stupid blog things....multiply, facebook etc.....and joining another board and being at the mercy of dipshit pansy arsed Americans leaves me cold..  :sad:

oh well... ::)


To be honest I can't see you writing a blog anyone would want to read and whatever leaves you cold and disinclined to join is just good news to me.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2010, 07:36:10 pm »
Quote from: Mrs C on March 11, 2010, 07:27:59 pm
To be honest I can't see you writing a blog anyone would want to read and whatever leaves you cold and disinclined to join is just good news to me.


oh shut up you stupid old bag, who fucking asked you?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2010, 07:40:14 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 11, 2010, 07:24:12 pm


Other than that, everything is like security is small potatoes if you're taking the right steps to secure your installation to begin with.


Not so...much like everything else that's cyber related.. developers release versions they think are secure, hackers find a vulnerability, developers fix vulnerability, hackers find another...wash, rinse repeat....
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2010, 07:44:15 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 07:40:14 pm
Not so...much like everything else that's cyber related.. developers release versions they think are secure, hackers find a vulnerability, developers fix vulnerability, hackers find another...wash, rinse repeat....

With complex programs written in code like C, C++ and stuff like that, yes. But with a simple PHP forum software who's biggest weakness is SQL injection not so much.

You can use mod_security within apache to normalize the calls to the DB if need be.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2010, 07:50:49 pm »
smf closed Megan_au's board and she had 100,000 posts on it so they all went to proboards even though most of the msn posters started to adapt to smf....now some of them don't want to return even though proboards are ugly and have ads...

now I just checked emails and smf are telling their customers to go on promotional drives...  ::)

I wonder if kiwithrottlejockey who loves smf has taken steps to protect whatever it is that you computer geeks protect...lol

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 07:51:24 pm »
I dunno, being around flame forums for the past 5-6 years or so, there's always some asshat that wants to fuck your shit up, and if he/she put their mind to it....well, you know.

Bugs would also be a concern, should everything  come to a screeching halt.

But like I said, at this point, I wouldnt be concerned too much. It just seems like theirs a bit of internal staff bickering going on @ SMF...just the same as there is at every damned forum, eh?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2010, 07:54:36 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 07:51:24 pm
I dunno, being around flame forums for the past 5-6 years or so, there's always some asshat that wants to fuck your shit up, and if he/she put their mind to it....well, you know.

Bugs would also be a concern, should everything  come to a screeching halt.

But like I said, at this point, I wouldnt be concerned too much. It just seems like theirs a bit of internal staff bickering going on @ SMF...just the same as there is at every damned forum, eh?


Yeah....I am just menstrual at the moment.....I get too emotional about shit like this...
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2010, 07:57:09 pm »
I think I will go and cry in my shoutbox to icy....I need to TLC..

thanks for the bad news anyway...
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #18 on: March 11, 2010, 07:57:47 pm »
SMF cant close a board, unless somehow they infringed on a source code, or something that SMF has the rights too. I think you're confused, caskur...imagine that, eh?

Edit: Sounds to me like megan didnt pay her fucking hosting bill  :rotf:
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #19 on: March 11, 2010, 08:02:58 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 07:51:24 pm
I dunno, being around flame forums for the past 5-6 years or so, there's always some asshat that wants to fuck your shit up, and if he/she put their mind to it....well, you know.

Bugs would also be a concern, should everything  come to a screeching halt.

But like I said, at this point, I wouldnt be concerned too much. It just seems like theirs a bit of internal staff bickering going on @ SMF...just the same as there is at every damned forum, eh?

Trust me on this one my friend. I'm a white hat hacker with over 10 years experience in the field and have personally written one of the best proxy blocker mods for the Register.php function available to-date. And no, I did not share it with SMF cause I also happen to favor trolling when I feel inclined to do so. If someone's going after your board they're trying sql injection, which like I said, can be locked down through mod_security.

Other than that, they're looking for open FTP with weak passwords, SSH openings which do not force one to SU to root and even buffer overruns within the Apache web service itself.

In my experience, 98% of the so called hacks are nothing more than an administrator using a weak password, trusting someone he shouldn't trust or doing something else equally stupid.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2010, 08:04:05 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 07:57:47 pm
SMF cant close a board, unless somehow they infringed on a source code, or something that SMF has the rights too. I think you're confused, caskur...imagine that, eh?

Edit: Sounds to me like megan didnt pay her fucking hosting bill  :rotf:


Nah....not confused.... I just know who the net cops are and the lengths they go to, to shut boards...
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #21 on: March 11, 2010, 08:07:07 pm »
If the code is any good then third party developers will keep modding it, if not we will just have to wait and see what the guys at SMF move on to next.

From what I can gather SMF is probably getting a bit long in the tooth as far as net code goes so it might be time for an entirely new product.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2010, 08:10:02 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 11, 2010, 08:02:58 pm
Trust me on this one my friend. I'm a white hat hacker with over 10 years experience in the field and have personally written one of the best proxy blocker mods for the Register.php function available to-date. And no, I did not share it with SMF cause I also happen to favor trolling when I feel inclined to do so. If someone's going after your board they're trying sql injection, which like I said, can be locked down through mod_security.

Other than that, they're looking for open FTP with weak passwords, SSH openings which do not force one to SU to root and even buffer overruns within the Apache web service itself.

In my experience, 98% of the so called hacks are nothing more than an administrator using a weak password, trusting someone he shouldn't trust or doing something else equally stupid.


Fair enough, I'll take your word for it. I never quite understood some folks infatuation with fucking other folks shit up. I'm neither a coder, nor a hacker. I just like to post, and interact with folks, especially those with opposing points of view.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #23 on: March 11, 2010, 08:11:31 pm »
Here's what really happened folks. As with most open source software, the developers said "fuck this" to sitting around watching thousands of people use their hard work to their own advantage while they got next to squat.

In the not so distant future you will see the newest version of SMF as a paid for product instead of a freely down-loadable one.

Seen this a thousand times.... VMWare used to be free too, for any of you that know what I'm talking about, they sure as hell aren't free for commercial use anymore.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #24 on: March 11, 2010, 08:15:03 pm »
but the "free ones" come with ads....and people pay for the ads to be removed... and/or more space...

sounds like a bunch of greedy pricks to me...
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2010, 08:16:39 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 08:10:02 pm
Fair enough, I'll take your word for it. I never quite understood some folks infatuation with fucking other folks shit up. I'm neither a coder, nor a hacker. I just like to post, and interact with folks, especially those with opposing points of view.


It's not like you see in the movies, there's really not much hackers can actually do, even through remote desktop. Looking for login info, defacing websites and sending viruses is pretty much the limit of what they can do.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2010, 08:16:56 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 11, 2010, 08:11:31 pm
Here's what really happened folks. As with most open source software, the developers said "fuck this" to sitting around watching thousands of people use their hard work to their own advantage while they got next to squat.

In the not so distant future you will see the newest version of SMF as a paid for product instead of a freely down-loadable one.

Seen this a thousand times.... VMWare used to be free too, for any of you that know what I'm talking about, they sure as hell aren't free for commercial use anymore.


Really, can you blame them? Think of the 1000's of hours put into this shit.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2010, 08:18:36 pm »
people don't want to go to boards to send flowers and blow fucking kisses....they want to go to boards and hash things out...

adults want to converse with other adults not act like baby teeny boppers...

whoever writes up those ToS statements should stay in 7th grade...
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2010, 08:22:02 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 08:16:56 pm
Really, can you blame them? Think of the 1000's of hours put into this shit.


I'd say they wanted to prove their concept and their qualifications in order to get some financing.

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2010, 08:24:31 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 11, 2010, 08:18:36 pm
people don't want to go to boards to send flowers and blow fucking kisses....they want to go to boards and hash things out...

adults want to converse with other adults not act like baby teeny boppers...

whoever writes up those ToS statements should stay in 7th grade...



Weren't you just moaning about going to your own board to get some tender loving care from one of your alts?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2010, 08:26:52 pm »
Quote from: thekid65 on March 11, 2010, 08:16:56 pm
Really, can you blame them? Think of the 1000's of hours put into this shit.

I don't blame them one bit. Why should they invest that much time into something and not reap any rewards when rich motherfuckers are being "bailed out" with money they themselves are paying in taxes like the rest of us.

I simply wonder what took them so long
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2010, 08:28:18 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 11, 2010, 08:15:03 pm
but the "free ones" come with ads....and people pay for the ads to be removed... and/or more space...

sounds like a bunch of greedy pricks to me...

You're talking about those sites that let you setup an Insta-forum using smf software.. smf4free comes to mind on that front.

I'm talking about the downloaded version you run on your own server or hosted account
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2010, 08:29:28 pm »
Quote from: cardtrick on March 11, 2010, 08:24:31 pm

Weren't you just moaning about going to your own board to get some tender loving care from one of your alts?


Icy/Arete is a well known msn identity dipshit.... and by the time I got back, she'd gone...

shuddup..
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2010, 08:32:06 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 11, 2010, 08:28:18 pm
You're talking about those sites that let you setup an Insta-forum using smf software.. smf4free comes to mind on that front.

I'm talking about the downloaded version you run on your own server or hosted account


Yeah well you may as well be talking Japanese for all I know....when I buy a car, I just want to drive the bloody thing, not give it a service as well..
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2010, 07:00:04 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 11, 2010, 08:02:58 pm
In my experience, 98% of the so called hacks are nothing more than an administrator using a weak password, trusting someone he shouldn't trust or doing something else equally stupid.


Hey!

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2010, 03:02:49 am »
My first impression is that this is probably a vicious rumor started by the vBullitin people or someone like them who may be losing market share. I think there are too many people who have a hand in developing SMF along with the mods for it to do a 180 from their mission statement at this point. Even if there is an ounce of truth to the rumor of switching to pay or abandoning support, I doubt everyone involved will get behind that.

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2010, 10:41:35 am »
I've been reading up on it.

It appears that the development of SMF is on "permanent hold" and the person who owns the rights is not interested in returning to the table nor sell the rights to anyone else.

So as it stands SMF will not continue to be updated, and many third party developers have been pulling their mods and support.

Although SMF forums can function indefinitely and the SMF support site is still posting answers to problems, SMF forums will become more prone to hacks and ultimately bugs will become more of a problem and there will probably not be fixes for many of them.

It's time to at least start thinking about making a change to another platform although nothing needs to be done right away.

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2010, 10:53:41 am »
I no longer care...

they're a shitty service when they pulled the plug on Megan's board so they don't deserve to be in business anyway..
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2010, 01:15:43 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 13, 2010, 10:53:41 am
I no longer care...

they're a shitty service when they pulled the plug on Megan's board so they don't deserve to be in business anyway..

*knock* *knock*

McFly... anybody home?

SMF are the developers of the software you're using on THIS SITE and CO and the now defunct flamechamps and probably a few of the hundreds of other boards you spend your days spamming on. They are NOT a hosting service that pulls plugs on boards like an SMF4FREE does

Are you just being deliberately obtuse or are you really this fucking stupid?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2010, 01:38:28 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 13, 2010, 01:15:43 pm
*knock* *knock*

McFly... anybody home?

Are you just being deliberately obtuse or are you really this fucking stupid?


My guess is "really fucking stupid".

I got booted off the smfforfree board for trolling..lol..but not before I spent some time there reading some posts and trying out the service...

Every once in a while you'd see a newbie on there posting something similar which indicated that they had no clue between "SMF developers" and SMF Free Hosted sites.

And most if not all of them were asking questions because they ran their own smf boards!

And these people breathe the same air we do.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2010, 01:42:39 pm »
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And these people breathe the same air we do.

And can reproduce!
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2010, 01:43:35 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 13, 2010, 01:15:43 pm


Are you just being deliberately obtuse or are you really this fucking stupid?


What do you think??  :snack:
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2010, 01:49:06 pm »
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What do you think??  :snack:

I think I'm going to allow her the opportunity to answer the question I asked her.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2010, 02:12:06 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 13, 2010, 01:15:43 pm
*knock* *knock*

McFly... anybody home?

SMF are the developers of the software you're using on THIS SITE and CO and the now defunct flamechamps and probably a few of the hundreds of other boards you spend your days spamming on. They are NOT a hosting service that pulls plugs on boards like an SMF4FREE does

Are you just being deliberately obtuse or are you really this fucking stupid?


I know...and I still don't care...

everyone who is important is on my email list and there are other boards beside smf...

you sound like you are in a shitty today....

why is that?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2010, 02:14:36 pm »
I've just deleted a 100 photos from photobucket which is slower than a hot decade..

somebody should shoot those bastards too..

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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2010, 02:42:45 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 13, 2010, 02:12:06 pm
I know...and I still don't care...

everyone who is important is on my email list and there are other boards beside smf...

you sound like you are in a shitty today....

why is that?

I have to be in a shitty to point out your inability to grasp a simple concept?
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2010, 02:45:54 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 13, 2010, 02:42:45 pm
I have to be in a shitty to point out your inability to grasp a simple concept?


I have other problems to worry about besides dumbarse computer geeks and their little dull coding world...

colour me guilty!!!
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2010, 02:50:05 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 13, 2010, 02:45:54 pm
I have other problems to worry about besides dumbarse computer geeks and their little dull coding world...

colour me guilty!!!

You seemed to be worried about whether or not SMF would go the way of MSN earlier in the thread.
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2010, 03:01:37 pm »
Quote from: JOODOG on March 13, 2010, 02:50:05 pm
You seemed to be worried about whether or not SMF would go the way of MSN earlier in the thread.


I've had time to adapt....

nothing will surprise me....
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Re: So what do you guys think about
« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2010, 04:14:45 pm »
Quote from: ~`caskur`~ on March 13, 2010, 03:01:37 pm
I've had time to adapt....

nothing will surprise me....


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