Topic: Coming soon - CROSSFIRE

[White Rabbit]

<It's unregulated, someone should regulate it, damn Internet.. but no-one can take the heat, except one man, and his friends who come along for support, aside from them he's a lone wolf..a howling wolf, his friend had an accident yet others called her a spammer, he won't take that, not on his watch, he'll send Pizza where ever it do the most good...he's Crossfire...and he's not a melodramatic fucking idiot.>


Crossfire!

<interior - trailer>

Howling Twat - “ Heads up people. I think we all know I served my country and that in itself is pretty amazing, now slightly sarcastic types might piss themselves laughing at the fact I was stupid enough to agree to get shot at like a melon headed bucktoothed hill-billy, but fuck them, in posting the names and addresses of teenagers I am making a stand, I am showing them that war can be hell”

Mitchell - “You go Crossfire, I am aware that you are really quite well educated and capable of defending your position without resorting to abuse when simply questioned, go on, I earn six figures in between my time spent recklessly defending a vaguely concussed whack-job who has made a massive twat of himself on the internet...I nearly beat polio ”

Howling Twat - “Oh yeah, I'm like Duff man, and Howling says teenage people in a totally different country are mere collateral damage in this war, and it is war, not me behaving like a massive self important bender totally incapable of realising how ridiculous I look banging on about delusional legal claptrap on the internet”.


TBC

<Damn straight..he's 143 pounds of typing marine, damn you Martin Walker, I'll make you sit up and take notice by paying for the home addresses of people who have nothing to do with this problem rather than facing you like a man, just like our armed forces, why deal with the tyrant when we can recklessly target a children's hospital from 30,000 feet.>

   
Coming soon on HBO...he's rough, he's tough, he incredibly thinks that your IP can reveal your phone number but that's mainly down to the metal plate in his head.

He's Crossfire....

Martin Walker...you better believe..Not on his watch.

CROSSFIRE - This time..it's delusional.



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War..what is it good for...well yucks mostly.

[Mrs C]

Hi wabbit! remember me? the one with the weally big hands?

I don't think you should upset these people. I'm scared they will reveal the names of those I steal my broadband from and that the phone number is into six figures.

[White Rabbit]

PREVIOUSLY ON CROSSFIRE

Goddam it Mitchell..you know me, I don't kowtow to any Cyberbully not here not now, not on my watch, they want to go to the mat, I'm there.I'm Crossfire and I have my copy of the Whitepages and I swear to God, you go tell the Spartans"

"The Spartans, I am sure you don't need my support in your righteous quest to make yourself into a simply breathtaking figure of fun on the internet but.."

"That's right..the Spartans, go tell them that I know where they live, that'll be Swindon, and that their daughter Gloria enjoys swapping cards on the internet with other like minded people of a similar age group, you might also mention i have posted their address, it's not illegal, but I did it to punish Martin Walker and shut him right up"

"I'll call our legal people, because nothing is more important in this world than the egg shell fragile feelings of weirdo's on the internet, thank god the judicial system hasn't got better things to worry about"

<Crossfire gazes manfully into the distance and sharpens his typing wand with a penknife>

"Not on my watch Walker"

<he then has it away on his toes>


NEXT WEEK ON CROSSFIRE

Our renegade hero posts the phone number of someone who irks him on the Farming application on Facebook..justice for all.

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"Farmer John, I'm in love with your daughter"

[JimmyBlonde]

Damn, you should have posted this one as a cinematic review in "The Daily Rail"... lol.

[Michelle]

Ooh lets see funny bunny.

MW takes a peek at  tractors.myfreeforum.org and says...I don't care if your're a hate site dearies as long as you bring in the stats for the advertisers to see.

Rebels like illegal music and game downloads as well as getting innocent people blacklisted but who cares?

One innocent teen got their PI posted and all I see is a bunch of drama queens pitching a hissy fit.

So yes while the funny bunny is chasing Alice down a hole because he can't be bothered caring about anything Moondog will continue to aid homeless veterans and those who are being bullied etc. But of course its the bunny who is the 'real man'.

[Angelica]

Babe, take a deep breath, it is just fun and games...We do this all the time.

One innocent teen got their PI posted and all I see is a bunch of drama queens pitching a hissy fit.

Miche, where is your PI posted, where is Moondogs??  Just asking, you seems to think it is okay to have you out others, but yet, where is yours and his? I would assume being the altruistic people you are you would reciprocate...right?

There is always tit for tat.  If you live in glass houses, don't be surprised when people are staring or throwing rocks.

[Michelle]

I am going to go off of here until tomorrow. I think that is the best course of action for the present. I don't see why we should post ours because we posted someone else. If someone finds it and posts it I won't be upset.

[JimmyBlonde]

There is always tits

fixed

[Angelica]

Leave it to an Aussie to break it down to its basic element...

[THE BRA1N]

I am going to go off of here until tomorrow. I think that is the best course of action for the present. I don't see why we should post ours because we posted someone else. If someone finds it and posts it I won't be upset.

As someone (Mrs. C i think) already alluded to, we as a loose community of related subject matter forums decided several years ago that posting that type of information is unacceptable, so no one will be posting any such thing here. That is one of the VERY few things which would be censored here.

The reason being is we have seen real life examples of what can happen when hapless gimps with limited intellect get insulted or humiliated online and decide to get even by calling that poster's spouse, place of employment or showing up to their home as I flashed back to in the discussion thread.

There is no reason to take an internet discussion or grudge to real life unless both parties decided they want to do that. The very act of posting someone's RL name and addy may indeed be 100% legal but it serves no fucking purpose other than harassment and can lead to some bad, life-impacting things.

And why? Because someone called you a name or made fun of you on the interweb or did something that you dont like? Nothing says reactionary juvenile fuck knob more than a lamer who resorts to posting up personal info whenever someone yanks their chain. It's like an ex throwing eggs at your car after breaking up with them. What fucking good is that going to do?

I still am not caught up on the details of the genesis to this drama or what some 13 year old has to do with it but i can see that the overwhelming number of uninvolved objective posters here with no ax to grind who have weighed in, seem to be unanimous against what you are doing and do not accept whatever justifications you feel you have. You should be able to see that too.

I also said that each person is responsible for the heat they generate onto themselves from their posts. I think you are starting to see more and more of that from other members. That doesnt necessarily mean that they dont like you or are going to spend $10 at ussearch.com to get your personal data and offer it up on their own blog created for just that purpose.

Yes, most of those around here frown upon posting PI. They also know to safeguard their own PI around these types of forums. However, they have no objection whatsoever to flaming, insulting, mocking, humiliating or generally textually smashing anyone who they think may be full of shit when the shoe fits because that's what we do. What are you going to do when you dont have any PI to respond with? 

[Michelle]

I haven't posted anyone's PI here nor have I suggested in any way that I would. Other members keep asking for my PI. Also Scoundrel posted PI from Moondog's site here. Has it been censored?

People have the right to disapprove and I have the right to disagree with their disapproval which I do.  I also believe firmly that there has been an extreme reaction here to the posting of PI. I highly doubt that the described consequences would come about.

I also don't look upon the internet and 'RL' as two separate entities. And I doubt the parents of Phoebe Prince an Irish immigrant who was bullied and committed suicide would think them separate entities either as they are watching her casket be lowered into the ground. I will expose a bully no matter what pulpit they are using a street corner,  or a keyboard. To me there is no distinction. Isn't that 'threat' someone might call the wife or hubby what deters the bully on your block? A big part of the reason people do it online is because none of the deterrants exist. It doesn't appear to me that the intrinsic ones do either.


I believe firmly that the distinction everyone seems to want to make is just an excuse. Anonymity is a sacred cow so people can engage in rotten behavior.  Behavior which they would not have the courage to engage in otherwise. Hiding behind a keyboard  while you bully,demean and humiliate someone is cowardice in the extreme and nothing more. It is no different than the old 'call people on the phone and bully them and then hangup' like used to happen years ago. It is distasteful, abhorrant and totally chickenhearted.  I find that behavior just as disgusting and deplorable as you all do the posting of PI.

I've been going right at it with everyone. I'm not a cowardly bully hiding behind a keyboard nor someone who thinks it is alright to be one. Just as an example I'll buy Moondog a plane ticket and send him to one of your house's. Lets see how many of you dare to call him the names you have here.  I'd say the answer is zero.

[Angelica]

Also Scoundrel posted PI from Moondog's site here. Has it been censored?

What PI is that?  I didn't see anything of Moondog's personal info, or do you mean he posted something from his blog?  There is a difference.

I believe firmly that the distinction everyone seems to want to make is just an excuse. Anonymity is a sacred cow so people can engage in rotten behavior.  Behavior which they would not have the courage to engage in otherwise. Hiding behind a keyboard  while you bully,demean and humiliate someone is cowardice in the extreme and nothing more. It is no different than the old 'call people on the phone and bully them and then hangup' like used to happen years ago. It is distasteful, abhorrant and totally chickenhearted.  I find that behavior just as disgusting and deplorable as you all do the posting of PI.

I've been going right at it with everyone. I'm not a cowardly bully hiding behind a keyboard nor someone who thinks it is alright to be one. Just as an example I'll buy Moondog a plane ticket and send him to one of your house's. Lets see how many of you dare to call him the names you have here.  I'd say the answer is zero.

In all my years in forums, flaming and non-flaming I have never actually came across any type of harassment to the extent you claim happened at the sites you are used to.

As to flaming, it is what I would term: Verbal Gymnastics.  It is done in the context of fun, a verbal battleground.  Yes, some people take it to an extreme, these are generally thin skinned and really should not be in any flaming forum, but other than that it is done for fun, and afterward, everyone continues to enjoy each others posts.  But that does not mean that PI should or needs to be introduce to the level that would actually harm anyone.  That is why we find it so hard to fathom something so horrific that would actually employ the need for PI being released to the mainstream public, especially against posters that had nothing to do with their Admins or Moderators decisions.

[IDOLGIRL]

Here's my thing with cyber-bullying.  Words are words. If someone says something to you that you don't like, that hurts your feelings, etc..then log off, block, ignore, don't go back, etc..to where that person is.

If someone subjects themselves to continued harassment by some online persona, to the point in which it flows into their RL, then someone is taking the internet too seriously.

If someone divulges their own PI to someone online, then that 'someone' starts to harass in RL, it's time to involve authorities.

If a person is underage, and being harassed, it's time to go to the parents, and enlist their assistance in following the steps to get the harassment stopped.

I am, of course, referring to extreme harassment, not just some meaningless name calling.

And, unfortunately, if someone let an online persona drive them to suicide...there was way more going on with their mental state than just some online shit. The online stuff may have contributed, but there was more going on than just getting upset enough to kill yourself over online name calling. If deBauch called me fat, ugly, or even if he called me a stanky gutter-cunt whore, I wouldn't find a bridge to fling myself off of. If he followed me to every forum I visited and called me that, I wouldn't off myself. I would block his posts, or whatever, but suicide wouldn't be an option. See what I mean? there has to be more than just online name calling shit going on to get a person to kill themselves.

And my question is (in the case of underage)...where were the parents?

[Michelle]

I have already said several times that we acknowledge that we shouldn't have posted the innocent people's PI. But I haven't changed my mind that the guilty parties are free game. No bully, harasser, or do-nothing forum host has any right  to anonymity. They forfeited it with either their actions or lack thereof.

This is a 'specific' site. (For want of a better word) People who are surfing can take one look and most will go 'oh my' and keep surfing right past the Third Rail. The people with the guts to join here know exactly what they are in for. Just read one or two posts. It's so obvious someone would have to be illiterate not to comprehend. (Though some of the avis might give it away).

But I don't believe that the majority of people who join a Star Wars role playing site, your average political forum (This doesn't meet that qualification) a social networking site like My Space, etc expect to be bullied, harassed, demeaned and humiliated. Any more than you do at school or work. These sites are supposed to be for networking and friendship. This site and those like it are exceptions. There are harder core groups in what you refer to as 'RL' but people know what they are joining. Tell me would the Third Rail fit the average local debating societies Roberts Rules of Order? No it wouldn't and the behavior here would not be allowed in that enviroment.

So why then is every genre of subject 'online' such a free for all?  Because some people decided that is how it should be. But many states and countries are wagging their fingers now as incidents of bullying, etc skyrocket and saying 'oh, no uh uh.' You can't do that. One state  in the US has been debating over a year (yes we are involved in the political lobbying part of it too) whether everyone who comes online will have to post their real identity before posting any post in a forum. There would be no anonymity for any harasser. Other states are considering it as well.

What is appropriate and allowable on the Third Rail is not appropriate and allowable in other places. It is not what people expect nor what they sign up for. To say they have to endure it while the perpetrator hides behind his/her sacred cow anonymity is utterly absurd.

You may Idol Girl be secure in who you are as I am. I wouldn't kill myself either. But not everyone is like that and the laws are meant for their protection. As a matter of fact the people with 'nerves of steel' (and wearing a full metal flak jacket)  are probably the exception not the rule. I only became mindful of that when my friend experienced her situation.

[IDOLGIRL]

You may Idol Girl be secure in who you are as I am. I wouldn't kill myself either. But not everyone is like that and the laws are meant for their protection. As a matter of fact the people with 'nerves of steel' (and wearing a full metal flak jacket)  are probably the exception not the rule. I only became mindful of that when my friend experienced her situation.

I know what you mean, but at the same time, if someone starts getting harassed or stalked by some online persona, why not either stop going to the place where the harassment is occurring (ie: if you're being harassed on a site, stop going to that site), or if it's RL, involve authorities, etc...but what I don't get is why someone would take internet words so seriously, to the point of suicide, instead of just blocking the source.

Your friend that was blacklisted..could she not have proven, through IP info, that she wasn't guilty of whatever spamming offense she was wrongfully accused of? I don't know how that blacklisting thing works..if someone, today, accused me of spamming, and blacklisted me...who am I blacklisted against, and how would that effect my online experience?

I appreciate the laws that are in affect, to protect against legit stalking and such--but again, if you are being stalked, or harassed, how is suicide a more appropriate avenue (to a mentally stable person) than going to the authorities who can enforce the laws that are in place?  Suicide is never a step taken by a mentally stable person. that's what I meant by saying that if you kill yourself instead of taking the more common-sense and/or legal steps, there is more going on in your head than just some online words. It's almost like..which came first, the chicken or the egg? Or in a case like we're talking..which was the catalyst, RL or online? and which pushed the person over the edge?

[Michelle]

Blacklists are notoriously difficult to get people off once you are on one. We tried to get her taken off, so far the blacklist has refused. It would be useful if the people who made the false accusation went to them and recanted. They won't do that either.

It shows up if you're blacklisted on WhoIs etc. My friend was denied a job when her name showed up on it.  How it works with everything I am not certain.

I can't say for certain what was going on with all of the suicide cases. But almost all were teenage girls whose sense of self-esteem is extremely vulnerable. Other people have less extreme reactions but if you read all of the literature their lives are impacted.

[The Scoundrel]

Any chance we can get past the PI debate now? It's had it's fill and as far as i can see everybody now agrees that posting PI is wrong (even if only on limited parties). So let's get back to what we do best shall we? Kicking the shit with humour and flame. K,thnx 

[Michelle]

We don't all agree it's always wrong and I don't concede that point to you. I would however be willing to get on with other subject matter.

[IDOLGIRL]

I can't say for certain what was going on with all of the suicide cases. But almost all were teenage girls whose sense of self-esteem is extremely vulnerable.

Bingo. I remember hearing a case of a young teen who killed herself due to facebook comments or something along those lines. She had to have other issues going on to be driven to suicide. The thing for me is...why were her parents not aware of what was being said on the girl's facebook (assuming that they were not..because had they been aware, why did it continue? I would have deleted the account, blocked the facebook app, denied her access to the computer all together if she was taking it that seriously...I would have done SOMETHING)

It's a tragedy that the girl took her life, no doubt. But I tend to think that there were more issues going on in her life that led her to suicide, beyond catty facebook posts. Did the comments help? no. But again, parental supervision and intervention goes a long way...too many parents use computers as a free babysitter, and then they act all surprised when their child ends up meeting some 'guy' at his house, ends up dead, missing, raped, or who knows what..."I had no idea she was doing that!!" Well, DUH!! Therein lies your problem! HAVE an idea what your child is doing, who they are talking to, etc...You cannot be too vigilant when it comes to the safety and protection of your children.

[Michelle]

That's correct absolutely. There is also ongoing studies being conducted by large companies regarding losses of revenue through malicious false postings both about the company itself and particular employees.  From Wikipedia which I usually don't use but I have to go soon.

Cyberstalkers seek to damage their victim's earnings, employment, reputation or safety.

That is what happened to my friend by the Rebels posters who effected her employment, reputation and earnings with their false accusations.

The issue goes far beyond just suicidal teens. They of course are the primary concern. Yes parents need to keep better track.