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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - Israel turned the force of its punishing Gaza campaign toward Hamas field operatives on Monday, sending warplanes to bomb their houses in a sweep meant to tear at the roots of the militant organization.

Yet even with their senior leadership in hiding, the battered Islamic militants managed to fire dozens of rockets at southern Israel on Monday.

A tough-talking Israeli defense minister promised them a "war to the bitter end," as the three-day death toll in Israel's shock-and-awe offensive rose to 364.

You can read the rest here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28404637/?GT1=43001

So, people, what do we think about this? Is Israel justified in its actions? Discuss (or debate, depending upon your inclinations).
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2008, 04:02:05 PM »

Yup, if canadians were firing missiles over the border into Boston wouldn't you want it delt with asap?
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2008, 04:03:44 PM »

Canadians have missiles?  :uhuh:
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2008, 05:06:34 PM »

yes.
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2008, 05:08:11 PM »

Yup, if canadians were firing missiles over the border into Boston wouldn't you want it delt with asap?

Well, if we were occupying Toronto and decided to make it our 51st state, I can see how they would be a little pissed.
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2008, 05:33:06 PM »

The Western world should butt out and leave Israel to defend its people any way it sees fit.

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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2008, 06:29:13 PM »

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree - to a point. I just believe that no matter what we think, that part of the world has been a hot mess for thousands of years, and it's going to continue to be a hot mess.

Israel has a right to defend itself, yes. I just think what's going on right now is a little extreme. I don't like war, period.
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2008, 06:30:08 PM »

yes.

When did Canada decide to arm itself?
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2008, 06:44:57 PM »

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree - to a point. I just believe that no matter what we think, that part of the world has been a hot mess for thousands of years, and it's going to continue to be a hot mess.

All the more reason for the U.S. to get the fuck out of there. Unless you like war, spending more of nation's money on defense contractors than anything else and 100 years in Iraq sounds good to you. In that case, the chaos and history probably doesn't matter anyways.
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2008, 06:53:52 PM »

That's what I mean. We have enough shit here to deal with , without spending trillions of dollars on other people's shit, when the other people don't even fuckin' want us there.

I can't believe nobody mentioned this before now.
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2008, 06:58:46 PM »

spending more of our nation's money

As if the war machines Israel has was not paid for by our taxpaying money...wtf, the very bread they eat is paid for by us. 

U.S. Financial Aid To Israel: Figures, Facts, and Impact
Summary

Benefits to Israel of U.S. Aid Since 1949 (As of November 1, 1997)


Foreign Aid Grants and Loans
$74,157,600,000

Other U.S. Aid (12.2% of Foreign Aid)
$9,047,227,200

Interest to Israel from Advanced Payments
$1,650,000,000

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Total Benefits per Israeli
$14,630

Cost to U.S. Taxpayers of U.S.Aid to Israel

Grand Total
$84,854,827,200

Interest Costs Borne by U.S.
$49,936,680,000

Total Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$134,791,507,200

Total Taxpayer Cost per Israeli
$23,240
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2008, 07:23:22 PM »

That ^^^ ties in with another thread where i made mentioned about the U.S. being Israel's bitch and the reason why that is the case - the corruption of campaign contributions coupled with the wealthy and powerful Jewish donors and political organizations in this country.

They have figured out the way to elect politicians who "hold Israel close to their heart" by showering them with money and political junkets. Just take a look and the list of donors to the Clinton Foundation which was recently released. Whether they contribute to a presidential library or a re-election fund or line up a 6 figure job for the wife of a governor, the entire system is inherently corrupt and political power is subject to being sold on any given issue, both legally and illegally.

What else can explain why we subsidize a non-strategic shithole like Israel to the extent that we do and to the detriment of our own national interests?  It's a national disgrace but the people in power arent about to cut the hand that feeds them so we'll continue to make Israel's welfare the most important point of our foreign policy. Even if it means having a war with Iran and having thousands more American soldiers killed "to protect our freedoms".



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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2008, 07:56:58 PM »

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree - to a point. I just believe that no matter what we think, that part of the world has been a hot mess for thousands of years, and it's going to continue to be a hot mess.

Israel has a right to defend itself, yes. I just think what's going on right now is a little extreme. I don't like war, period.

Extreme? of course its extreme, they are dealing with extremists. There is no point pissing around like the Western worls forces do when dealing with the extremists.

Deal with them harshly and fast or you end up in a protracted war like Iraq 
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2008, 08:49:16 PM »

The Western world should butt out and leave Israel to defend its people any way it sees fit.


So "defend" = 2 or 3 Israeli's getting killed by haphazard rocket attack by fucking dickhead Palestinian lunatics to the mass slaughter of hundreds of Gazaians by American funded F-16 delivered precision guided munitions leading to the death of a 1000's of which 95% will be "non combatants".

Great  :rotf:

It must be nice to sit on your high and mighty horse in NZ and pronounce such a judgment but I'm guessing that you've never had to cuddle an 8 year old blood soaked daughter as she gargles her last breath.

Cut the cunts off...the whole place is a cancer on the worlds testicle...there and Pakistan are causing the rest of us the risk of getting blown up just popping down the shops for a new "North Face" coat....
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2008, 10:15:46 PM »


So "defend" = 2 or 3 Israeli's getting killed by haphazard rocket attack by fucking dickhead Palestinian

Where did you get 2 or 3 from? Is that a factual number or one you pulled from your arse?

The Palestinian Liberation rebels fire a lot of rockets over the border and Israel IMO have a lot more cause to fire on them than the US has for invading Iraq 
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2008, 10:59:41 PM »

Where did you get 2 or 3 from? Is that a factual number or one you pulled from your arse?

The Palestinian Liberation rebels fire a lot of rockets over the border and Israel IMO have a lot more cause to fire on them than the US has for invading Iraq

Your last point...no fucking shit  :rotf:   Don't bring Iraq into this...my country's utter shame at being a part of the biggest humanitarian disaster since the Turks wiped out the Armenians (and still deny it).

And don't you sit there on your high fucking horse and laugh at us and our Aussie bredrin for being involved.....but my basic point is....its not exactly "tit for tat" is it...you're a Kiwi....you know all about fair play...you're telling me THATS fair play ?
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2008, 06:21:35 AM »

Where did you get 2 or 3 from? Is that a factual number or one you pulled from your arse?

The Palestinian Liberation rebels fire a lot of rockets over the border and Israel IMO have a lot more cause to fire on them than the US has for invading Iraq

When the Zionist movement hit full stride the Jews used terrorism to drive the Arabs out of Judah(Israel).  That land was owned by Palestinians for centuries....why not lob rockets?  Eye for an eye, right?
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2008, 09:19:12 AM »

When the Zionist movement hit full stride the Jews used terrorism to drive the Arabs out of Judah(Israel).  That land was owned by Palestinians for centuries....why not lob rockets?  Eye for an eye, right?

That's my point. I understand the whole UN creating an Israeli homeland thing, but wtf, the Palestinians are just supposed to go quietly because some asshat said  they should? Judaism is a religion, not a nationality. There's no fucking Protestant homeland, is there (and if anyone says a word about Northern Ireland I'll shit in their hat).
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2008, 09:33:29 AM »

When the Zionist movement hit full stride the Jews used terrorism to drive the Arabs out of Judah(Israel).  That land was owned by Palestinians for centuries....why not lob rockets?  Eye for an eye, right?

There were previosly 2 jewish states, the first was destroyed by the babylonians and the second by the romans. They are racially as well as religously different from palastinians who like most apart arab historically forced converts.


cutting them of would force israel to settle it with nukes. Iran is behind this as it was behind hezbollah, thats the country that should have been invaded. a revolutionary theocratic state that funds international terrorism.

The problem with the palistinians apart from being the puppets of others, see above, is that if you dont know when you have lost you are doomed.
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Re: More than 350 killed in 3-day Gaza barrage; U.S. blames Hamas for flare-up
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2008, 09:35:12 AM »

I understand the whole UN creating an Israeli homeland thing



Uhm, sorry, it was our fault... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917  :wheelchair:
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