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Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« on: January 19, 2009, 11:14:08 PM »

For fuck sake just get the fuck on with it  :hammer:
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2009, 11:36:42 PM »

Why?  Israel is near the finish line with Hamas.  Their leaders are in exile in Syria and the people of Gaza are growing weary of living under such condition while Hamas boasts "victory".  The U.S. acknowledging Hamas would only give them and their followers hope.  This latest beatdown has been the best incentive, so far, to quit lobbing missiles into Israel.
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2009, 11:47:27 PM »

He should because they were democratically elected by the Palestinians to be their voice. Same as with Ahmadinejad in Iran.

What kind of message does it send to say that we lost 4,100 soldiers in Iraq to fight for democracy and freedom and then turn around and say to those two countries that their democratically elected leaders dont count?
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2009, 12:04:19 AM »

Hamas won't be democratically elected for long.  Just like Bush waging unjust war, Hamas has made the bad decision to support actions that hurt its citizens.  My point isn't not to talk to them, but rather what's the rush?  If they are around after the next cycle of elections....meh.
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2009, 12:17:23 AM »

Their citizens knew what they were getting and were stupid enough to elect them anyways. They got what they asked for.

It would have been the like if we had elected another war monger like McCain. Right now Gen. Petraeus and the Surge would be drawing up plans to send more troops into Iraq to "liberate them" and start to win the 100 year war. As if.
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2009, 08:31:19 AM »

I disagree that the average Gaza citizen knew what they were voting for in Hamas.  With the Israeli occupation before the creation of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas wasn't just a terrorist organization but also did a great deal of community work.  They were the Palestinian Robin Hoods.

I don't think people knew what they were voting for when they elected W.  The people of SC were totally ignorant in voting W. over McCain, and the people of Ohio, Florida and Tennesse were certainly confused about who Gore was.  Just like we Americans this past November, the people of Gaza have got no choice but to pay closer attention to who they vote for.   
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2009, 06:51:33 PM »

He should because they were democratically elected by the Palestinians to be their voice. Same as with Ahmadinejad in Iran.

What kind of message does it send to say that we lost 4,100 soldiers in Iraq to fight for democracy and freedom and then turn around and say to those two countries that their democratically elected leaders dont count?


Ahmijad wasn't democraticly elected as he was an aproved candidate allowed to stand, although hitler was elected so maybe he deserved better treatment?


Democracy isn't about a voice you fucking dumbass any tinpot dictator can do that. Its about renewing the system peacefully.

Giving Iraq democracy 50 years ago would have given the iraqis the oppertunity to get rid of saddam saving us the time and hassle.

I'll state this one more time, Democracy, the benefits of, have nothing to do with electing people, its the ability to get rid of them that really counts.
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2009, 08:16:07 PM »

Its bullshit political posturing, the Turks are the major negotiating conduits in the region these days so its fucking obvious that round about talks will be held anyway. 

The British government "refused" to talk to the IRA and it turns out that the leaders of Sinn Fein were negotiated with via a fucking fish and chip shop owner in Derry ?!?
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2009, 09:17:09 PM »

Exactley what parts of islamic fundementalist dogma are you willing to negotiate on and compromise?

Global islamic domination?

The destruction of Israel and genocide of the jews.

Introduce Sharia Law into the UK legal system?

Give Afghanistan back to the taliban?
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2009, 09:44:38 PM »

Exactley what parts of islamic fundementalist dogma are you willing to negotiate on and compromise?

I wouldn't know until I'd had a sit down and a nice cup of tea and custard creams with that lovely man Mr Haniyah.

I wouldn't back myself into a corner by negating the possibility of talking. 

It generally tends to be the cunts that don't do the talking that tend to be the fuckers that don't do the dying either.
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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2009, 09:46:26 PM »

"I say we take of and nuke em from space, its the only way to be sure"

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Re: Should Obama talk to Hamas ?
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2009, 10:07:21 AM »

"I say we take of and nuke em from space, its the only way to be sure"

Fuck yeah, who wants Jews and Arabs anyway.
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