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Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« on: October 21, 2008, 08:51:11 PM »

UFO stands for unidentified flying object but whenever it's mentioned, people automatically think of something exotic from outer space. Despite no concrete evidence ever shown that they are. In reality, it's just something off the ground which for whatever reason, cannot be readably identified. I can sit here for the next hour and make a list of things which can take to the air and be potentially classified as a UFO but most people dont even consider that and just think about space aliens when the term is brought up.

Things would sure be different if we could say that 30 or 40 years ago, a strange flying vehicle landed in the middle of Time Square, a couple of little long limbed guys got out, waved to 100's of people with cameras, made some repairs to their ship, and then got back in and were off on their way never to be seen again. At least then, we'd have incontrovertible proof that they are out there.

But we have nothing. Nothing but the claims of humans, the same species of people who gave us crop circles, astrology, unicorns, mermaids, Bigfoot, the Lochness MONSTER, April Fool's, The Shroud of Turin, gnomes and fairies on film and best of all, who insist on suspending logical, rational thought and believing in their version of one of the world's 30,000 religions for how everything was created by an invisible, often times living dead omnipotent being. And then asking others to believe in the same, not based on evidence but on blind faith, often to threats and foretelling of great personal calamity if they don't believe.

Personally, I think UFOs are all of Earthly origin which can be explained from everything to top secret military projects, to plain ole dumb people seeking attention by making things up. I dont, however, discount that the possibility that this planet has been visited in the way distant past by extraterrestrials but I just dont think it's happened within recent recorded history. Especially not with all the satellites and locking radars and space and ground telescopes and military aircrafts that we have in the world and that are on high alert in the U.S. after 9-11.

We have the capability of tracking flying objects and shooting it down with a satellite now. That much we know because the military had to declassify it to conduct tests on shooting down missiles. With that level of sophistication and that which we dont know about, you can bet that if something we're out there, we would have solid proof of it and it would have been too big not be leaked by someone or to be kept strictly within the purview of the government. It's just silly to think that any government could keep a secret that big and hide something it can't control like flying ET ships when all they have to do is land somewhere or hover by the Space Shuttle during a mission.

I subscribe to the Sagan dogma of "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof" and we just havent seen it. All we see are blurred images and videos of lights and humans talking about seeing lights of questionable origin. Every other remarkably clear pic of a supposed ship invariably captured by only one person while the thing hovered over a landscape somewhere, has been shown to be faked.

No better example then the guy from Panama City, Florida years ago who said the aliens were coming out to visit him and produced some great photos month after month up to the time it was discovered that he had models of the same ships in his garage. Panama City is also the site of a major military air force base btw.

I certainly dont believe in any of this ufo abduction crap, that's just a load of bunk by mental cases that takes away from the seriousness of the possibility of extraterrestrial crafts. It's utterly ridiculous to even conceive some of those stories like people living in an overcrowded tenement in the middle of New York somehow being plucked away onto an alien spaceship and returned back safely to their unit without so much as a single person in the city calling the police or the news about anything "strange". And to make matters worse, the aliens don't even have the courtesy to let the abductee take a pic shaking hands or flippers with one of the aliens to show to his or her friends!

Anyway, the UK National Archives just released a bunch of formerly classified UFO files from the government documenting reports from 86 to 92. Some of the stories are just plain hilarious but i guess they have to take the report anyways. Here's the link for anyone who wants to check them out..

http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2008, 10:10:33 PM »

I do not believe in UFO's. I seriously doubt that any intelligible being technologically advanced enough has visited from outer space while humans cohabited earth. Scientifically, they would not be able to sustain functional life in our atmosphere for very long, if at all and the trip alone would wreak havoc on their bodies.

Much like a human trying to thrive on Mars or cavort about for months on a space station, the atmosphere and gravitational effects are not conducive to our body systems. Even after taking significant measures to preserve respiration with a spacesuit, the differences in gravitation alone both during space travel and while traversing about on another planet or a sedentary space capsule has been proved to be detrimental to our musculoskeletal system.

Unless of course, they've figured out the physics of black holes and could effectively navigate a space time continuum. If that were the case though, even Galilei would have been able to detect and track their presence before they landed.

I do believe that at some point in time our planet was pelted with asteroids that carried single celled life forms that developed and evolved into the various types of past and present species, essentially meaning we are all extraterrestrial on some level.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2008, 02:19:53 AM »

I do believe that at some point in time our planet was pelted with asteroids that carried single celled life forms that developed and evolved into the various types of past and present species, essentially meaning we are all extraterrestrial on some level.

I dont foreclose that either as a possible way of "seeding life" from one celestial body to another and it may be more common than we know or think. We have found here on Earth fragments and rocks from Mars and the Moon which got here almost certainly after an asteroid struck them and sent debris spewing all over the solar system until some of it got caught by our planet's gravity. Meteor showers, anyone?

Imagine the other way around - if an asteroid hit Earth before civilization but after life had evolved and it sent life forms from here into the vacuum of space aboard rocks and debris.

It likely would have been irradiated by the cosmic rays but if it faced in just the right way away from the Sun, it's possible that there are some Earthly microbes with DNA from our water planet flying around out there just waiting to crash land on some distant celestial body and who knows, maybe seed life on another world.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2008, 09:52:16 AM »

Interesting and not implausible. If you subscribe to the BBN "big bang nucleosynthesis" theory and can grasp a Hawkings like equation of black hole mechanics in relation to thermodynamics and the subsequent or resulting elemental abundances; our universe is a culmination of subatomic particles derived from space itself as a whole.

Therefore, I tend to think that on an elemental level earth and the other planets would have been formed from an initial compound that broke up into many smaller parts, re-fragmented along the way and evolving in regard to its solar position.

That said, after it's initial evolution and during the Permian-Triassic period 250 million years ago, earth took a big enough blow to wipe out roughly 98% of all living existence . To create such devastation, I would wager that what ever hit the planet most certainly hit it hard enough to send all sorts of goodies out into space to float around, reassemble, and pelt other planets in kind. 

Theoretically, the impact was so great it caused something like what we in the medical field would call a "contra cu" head injury. Which means the force at the point of impact was so great, that the most severe damage occurs on the opposite side of the head due to a vacuum like effect.

In relation to the planet, the massive asteroid hit point A creating such a force it kicked up all sorts debris into the atmosphere, killing off almost everything that didn't die during the initial impact; BUT at the same time, on the opposite side of the planet at point B, the force from the impact reverberated right through the planets core forcing massive cracks in the earths crust which resulted in volcanic explosions that were assumed to be greater in devastation because of their explosiveness and the resulting ash and smoke thrust into our atmosphere.

Or you could think of it like this; someone being whacked in the head with a baseball bat so hard, that the back of their head blows out like they were shot, but there was no bullet to actually make penetration.

This brings us to whatever survived, it's evolution post "the great dying", and what occurred during that survival period and the elements left behind from the massive asteroid that likely effected the evolution giving us dinosaurs and what not. Until, the next huge impact during the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction 65 million years ago. Basically, it was the same as the Permian-Triassic event on a smaller scale, but I tend to think that whatever impacted earth at that point left off something that is somehow relative to humans present day.

Point being, all of the elements are out there in existence universally, so relatively there really isn't anything extraterrestrial per se. It's just what happens to the elements under certain conditions and how they evolve in regard to atmospheric factors.

 
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2008, 11:24:51 AM »

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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2008, 04:37:02 PM »

Interesting and not implausible. If you subscribe to the BBN "big bang nucleosynthesis" theory and can grasp a Hawkings like equation of black hole mechanics in relation to thermodynamics and the subsequent or resulting elemental abundances; our universe is a culmination of subatomic particles derived from space itself as a whole.

Therefore, I tend to think that on an elemental level earth and the other planets would have been formed from an initial compound that broke up into many smaller parts, re-fragmented along the way and evolving in regard to its solar position.

That said, after it's initial evolution and during the Permian-Triassic period 250 million years ago, earth took a big enough blow to wipe out roughly 98% of all living existence . To create such devastation, I would wager that what ever hit the planet most certainly hit it hard enough to send all sorts of goodies out into space to float around, reassemble, and pelt other planets in kind. 

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Or you could think of it like this; someone being whacked in the head with a baseball bat so hard, that the back of their head blows out like they were shot, but there was no bullet to actually make penetration.

This brings us to whatever survived, it's evolution post "the great dying", and what occurred during that survival period and the elements left behind from the massive asteroid that likely effected the evolution giving us dinosaurs and what not. Until, the next huge impact during the Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction 65 million years ago. Basically, it was the same as the Permian-Triassic event on a smaller scale, but I tend to think that whatever impacted earth at that point left off something that is somehow relative to humans present day.

Point being, all of the elements are out there in existence universally, so relatively there really isn't anything extraterrestrial per se. It's just what happens to the elements under certain conditions and how they evolve in regard to atmospheric factors.

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It's a good point and I tend to agree that if you look at the elemental level of existence then absolutely nothing could be considered "Extraterrestrial". I think what most people look at when they hear that word though is an intelligence existing consciously in the universe aside from our own human mentality. Anyone even remotely scientific will tell you that finding alien life is more likely if you look at the microscopic level, and ignore notions of "big eyed green men" arriving in a flying saucer.

But back to the original post. As far as UFOs being extraterrestrial, I highly doubt it. No intelligent species smart enough to make it the light years necessary to reach our planet would be dumb enough to be spotted *repeatedly* by the human eye. Most of the UFO stories have been proven hoaxes or misunderstandings as it is, and even Roswell has been theorized as merely a memory fluke in the minds of the "witnesses".

There was an experiment done not long ago that tested people's memory's in relation to an "alien crash site" to try and determine whether or not the fantastic nature of what they were seeing would be objectively recalled weeks down the road, or if it would be exaggerated in some way.

The experiment consisted of building a fake crash site of an alien vessel in a remote desert location, and grabbing 2-3 actors to play MPs guarding it, and then roping it off with military tape. The participants were told they were being led on a nature hike by a guide, and were not told of the existence of the crash site at all. They were then led on roughly 20-30 minutes of a nature walk(if I recall correctly) before being "accidentally" led past the "crash site". They were able to see a very small piece of the crashed vessel as most of it was hidden behind brush, and one of the MPs guarding it, who stood there and told them to move on.

A few weeks later the study group contacted all of the participants and interviewed them about the crash site. The results were pretty conclusive that their memories were faulty. One woman even suggested that the MP had aimed and fired at her when they passed by, even though the video taping of the "nature walk" had proven otherwise. Most of the other participants had claimed viewing then collecting pieces of the vessel and even pulling mangled alien bodies from the wreckage.

All in all it shined a screaming doubt on eye witness testimonies of UFOs and alien encounters from the previous 50 years. That, coupled with the fact that there is not an iota of concrete evidence suggesting extraterrestrial visitation, I'm going to have to say that they are in fact not from another world.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2008, 05:31:10 PM »

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It's a good point and I tend to agree that if you look at the elemental level of existence then absolutely nothing could be considered "Extraterrestrial". I think what most people look at when they hear that word though is an intelligence existing consciously in the universe aside from our own human mentality. Anyone even remotely scientific will tell you that finding alien life is more likely if you look at the microscopic level, and ignore notions of "big eyed green men" arriving in a flying saucer.

True, I guess most people think Stephen Spielberg "phone home" when they hear "extraterrestrial". But, technically the term refers to life off of earth and I seriously doubt given the size of our universe alone, we'll ever encounter another form of life beyond a cellular level if that, during our lifetime.

But back to the original post. As far as UFOs being extraterrestrial, I highly doubt it. No intelligent species smart enough to make it the light years necessary to reach our planet would be dumb enough to be spotted *repeatedly* by the human eye. Most of the UFO stories have been proven hoaxes or misunderstandings as it is, and even Roswell has been theorized as merely a memory fluke in the minds of the "witnesses".

There was an experiment done not long ago that tested people's memory's in relation to an "alien crash site" to try and determine whether or not the fantastic nature of what they were seeing would be objectively recalled weeks down the road, or if it would be exaggerated in some way.

The experiment consisted of building a fake crash site of an alien vessel in a remote desert location, and grabbing 2-3 actors to play MPs guarding it, and then roping it off with military tape. The participants were told they were being led on a nature hike by a guide, and were not told of the existence of the crash site at all. They were then led on roughly 20-30 minutes of a nature walk(if I recall correctly) before being "accidentally" led past the "crash site". They were able to see a very small piece of the crashed vessel as most of it was hidden behind brush, and one of the MPs guarding it, who stood there and told them to move on.

A few weeks later the study group contacted all of the participants and interviewed them about the crash site. The results were pretty conclusive that their memories were faulty. One woman even suggested that the MP had aimed and fired at her when they passed by, even though the video taping of the "nature walk" had proven otherwise. Most of the other participants had claimed viewing then collecting pieces of the vessel and even pulling mangled alien bodies from the wreckage.

All in all it shined a screaming doubt on eye witness testimonies of UFOs and alien encounters from the previous 50 years. That, coupled with the fact that there is not an iota of concrete evidence suggesting extraterrestrial visitation, I'm going to have to say that they are in fact not from another world.

I totally agree that due to lack of viable evidence, any encounters with "UFO's" or aliens are mostly fabricated, a result of mental illness or some cerebral affliction, or a persons encounter with either a hoax or an experiment of some source.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2008, 05:46:40 PM »

Interesting post, Fragged. But being a veteran watcher of trials on Court TV, I can say conclusively that human eyewitness testimony, even when they arent lying, is the second most unreliable form of evidence (next to human hearsay).

That's why a strand of hair or a skin cell with human dna or a videotape is much more valuable - because it is scientific and isnt subject to faulty perceptions or memory lapses.

If we could only find a piece of extraterrestrial metal from a ship or maybe a spent fuel rod or some discarded alien trash with alien hieroglyphics made out stuff not native to this planet just once out of all those sightings but we have absolutely nothing. I mean, we were able to find human remains and a hard drive from the Space Shuttle Challenger which blew up entering the atmosphere over Texas. But not a single solitary unnatural item of questionable Earth origin?

If you believe all these sightings people report from all over the world every week, our planet should be teeming with aliens in flying ships. We should have a lot more than mere speculation about strange lights in the sky and blurry, shaky videos but that's all we've got. Hardly a compelling case.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 06:02:19 PM »

I have never seen any evidence to say that they exist, but I think it is arrogance to think we are the only life forms in the entire universe. So I guess I am a skeptical believer.

Interesting you raise the topic at this time Bra1n. For the true believers, believed that we were to be visited around the 14th of this month.



Now if you buy into this, you believe that there is a full on cover up by some organization and that all things bad come from this group. The arrival of this ship was supposed to be the start of a new era and herald a new age of peace and harmony or some such.

Now to the best of my knowledge they haven't shown up in our skys. Do you then they took a left at mars instead of a right?
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2008, 06:59:39 PM »

LMAO, no I wasnt aware that they text messaged some fucknut on Earth to let them know that they would be hanging out here on the 14th of October of 2008. I find it fascinating that they would even know and keep track of time using a Roman calendar which would only exist on Earth in certain cultures.  :lmao:

But yeah, I have zero doubt that life exists elsewhere maybe someday they may even find our little blue grain of sand on the beach but so far, we have nothing but claims and proven hoaxes.

Absence of evidence isnt evidence of absence that they dont exist but it sure is evidence that they havent been here when you have tens of thousands of accounts claiming that they have. If the existence of some evidence supports a claim, then the non-existence of that evidence detracts from the claim. And that basically sums up the whole UFO phenomena.



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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2008, 09:39:34 PM »

Interesting post, Fragged. But being a veteran watcher of trials on Court TV, I can say conclusively that human eyewitness testimony, even when they arent lying, is the second most unreliable form of evidence (next to human hearsay).

That's why a strand of hair or a skin cell with human dna or a videotape is much more valuable - because it is scientific and isnt subject to faulty perceptions or memory lapses.

If we could only find a piece of extraterrestrial metal from a ship or maybe a spent fuel rod or some discarded alien trash with alien hieroglyphics made out stuff not native to this planet just once out of all those sightings but we have absolutely nothing. I mean, we were able to find human remains and a hard drive from the Space Shuttle Challenger which blew up entering the atmosphere over Texas. But not a single solitary unnatural item of questionable Earth origin?

If you believe all these sightings people report from all over the world every week, our planet should be teeming with aliens in flying ships. We should have a lot more than mere speculation about strange lights in the sky and blurry, shaky videos but that's all we've got. Hardly a compelling case.


It is true that concrete evidence would be the best way to determine alien visitation, but if I may play devil's advocate for a bit, and tie in to VC's post above, it's also probably the most misleading form of skepticism.

As we've already determined, at an elemental level nothing is extraterrestrial. Most anything we find that isn't alive can be found on this planet as well as others, so it's safe to assume that any wreckage of an "alien" space craft could be broken down to eartly origin from a skeptic point of view. Knowing this, the only way to truly and completely prove the existence of Alien visitors is to bring a living(or dead) extraterrestrial life form to the public eye, something that does not exist on earth, and could not have been made with any existing materials accessable on Earth.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2008, 11:45:43 PM »

It is true that concrete evidence would be the best way to determine alien visitation, but if I may play devil's advocate for a bit, and tie in to VC's post above, it's also probably the most misleading form of skepticism.

As we've already determined, at an elemental level nothing is extraterrestrial. Most anything we find that isn't alive can be found on this planet as well as others, so it's safe to assume that any wreckage of an "alien" space craft could be broken down to eartly origin from a skeptic point of view. Knowing this, the only way to truly and completely prove the existence of Alien visitors is to bring a living(or dead) extraterrestrial life form to the public eye, something that does not exist on earth, and could not have been made with any existing materials accessable on Earth.

Ummmm....inanimate objects can't really be considered terrestrial or extraterrestrial, because the term basically translates to territorial life. Considering the universe does derive from the same basic set of elements, thats not saying that certain elements are or aren't prevalent or maybe even nonexistent on our planet. Take for instance Helium-3. On earth, it is not really a natural resource; it's residual to nuclear weaponry. However, it is found in mass abundance on the moon because our atmosphere deflects it. Though, it wouldn't be entirely implausible to produce something that's elemental make-up is not common with what is generally found on our planet unless it is unearthed in microscopic amounts from hundreds or millions of years ago which isn't rare geologically; especially, at crater sites around the world.

I highly doubt we ever will find something that was manufactured by an extraterrestrial being on earth.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2008, 01:31:10 AM »

Ummmm....inanimate objects can't really be considered terrestrial or extraterrestrial, because the term basically translates to territorial life.


Sure they can. Theoretically there's any number of synthetic materials which can created by aliens just like we created Teflon, kevlar, nylon, mylar as well hybrids of natural and synthetics like polyester, none of which are found on any of the other 8 planets and 169 moons in the Solar System. If we were to send a probe to orbit Pluto and dump a clump of polyester down to it, an alien being who landed there and stumbled on it without having explored Earth would have to know that there was intelligent life aside from them which made that and left it behind.

Surely an advanced civilization bright enough to conquer interstellar space travel should be able to create their own synthetics metals and fibers. And unless they are robots or some kind of silicon life form, they will need to ingest something for energy and generate waste product in the process. Where is the waste? You can't just make matter disappear.

There's also any number of rare Earth elements which just arent readily found in certain places or in certain concentrations. Thirty of them to be exact. If we found a mass concentration of them at a UFO site, that would be strong evidence of something not from here.

Not to mention natural elements that we may not even know about and have yet to be discovered out in the universe.

Even if it is something common on Earth, if we find something from a UFO site and Carbon 14 date it to be 10 billion years old, we'd know beyond a doubt that it didnt come from either this planet or any other planet in our Solar System.

Like I said, all we would need is to stumble on piece of alien scrap near the places where all these sightings occur, or where people claim that ships landed and aliens got out and looked into their windows or whatever extraordinary claim they make. It would be a smoking gun if we found something like that.

In all the years of recorded history and all the sightings since Roswell, we have nothing of the sort. Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence in light of the claims that we are being visited.

If my Mexican maid cleans my house every Friday while Im not there and always leaves my house clean and the light on for when I get home, I can conclude that if the house is the same as when i left it and the light isnt on, that she didnt stop by and clean despite her claim that she did. Absence of evidence that I normally would expect to see had she been there, is evidence of her absence.

My questions to the UFO buffs is why havent we found anything like that and why arent they looking for it? Why do they base their claims on blurred pictures, shaky videos and eyewitness accounts which wouldnt withstand 5 mins of intense cross examination, when they should be looking for the smoking gun in evidence of something that isnt from this world?

Something as small as a strand of hair is enough to allow experts to tell whether it came from "Bigfoot" or a bison. We have CSI labs that can detect things which are invisible to eye and conclusive as to origin. But no sign of anything scientific and concrete so support the claims.


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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2008, 03:02:41 AM »

Sure they can. Theoretically there's any number of synthetic materials which can created by aliens just like we created Teflon, kevlar, nylon, mylar as well hybrids of natural and synthetics like polyester, none of which are found on any of the other 8 planets and 169 moons in the Solar System. If we were to send a probe to orbit Pluto and dump a clump of polyester down to it, an alien being who landed there and stumbled on it without having explored Earth would have to know that there was intelligent life aside from them which made that and left it behind.


I agree with your argument that there hasn't ever been producible evidence substantial enough to indicate we've been visited by "UFO's". But, I disagree with your notion of the term terrestrial. As a noun, it indicates something that is alive and/or originates from earth. It's Latin base terrestris also indicates something that grows from the earth. Considering a synthetic object as terrestrial isn't exactly accurate or relative to the term.

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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2008, 03:35:24 AM »

But, I disagree with your notion of the term terrestrial. As a noun, it indicates something that is alive and/or originates from earth. It's Latin base terrestris also indicates something that grows from the earth. Considering a synthetic object as terrestrial isn't exactly accurate or relative to the term.
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Sure it is. If it's a collateral semantic war you want then that's what you'll get. Let's take a look at various official relevant definitions..
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Now why wouldnt a man-made object unique only to Earth as far as we know not fit within any of those definitions?


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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2008, 04:08:43 AM »

Sure it is. If it's a collateral semantic war you want then that's what you'll get. Let's take a look at various official relevant definitions..
Now why wouldnt a man-made object unique only to Earth as far as we know not fit within any of those definitions?




Well, for starters the question you posed wasn't relative to the word extraterrestrial being used as an adjective. Saying a synthetic object can be terrestrial or extraterrestrial when the basis of the word terrestrial means something that grows on earth, is of earth, or lives on earth isn't an accurate depiction.


Secondly, you didn't reference man-made objects per se, you specified "synthetics", of which are not natural in origin to the earth. Therefore, they're not exactly terrestrial.

 
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2008, 03:24:12 PM »

Well of course there are UFOs..How else would we explain Bushpig?

Oh I forgot-we aren't supposed to be flaming...

As a paranormal nut I must admit I really haven't made up my mind about flying saucers..I find it amusing that people always assume they must be creatures from another planet.Isn't it equally or even more plausible,given the difficulty with space travel,that these could just as easily be travelers from another dimension or even another time..

I mean who knows what humans might look like say,a million years from now..Perhaps the 'greys' that some close encounter claimees have reported seeing are not from the planet vulcan but indeed could be our descendants. It was proven during the Apollo space missions that time travel is possible even for a space craft as slow as a Saturn 5 rocket..It seems only logical that in future generations,we will be able to figure out ways to exploit these principles and perhaps even build working time machines..This would explain why these 'aliens' are so shy about making contact with us..As we know from watching any Back to the Future flick that anyone traveling into the past must be very careful about interacting with the natives for fear that changing the past would have  disastrous consequences for the travelers own time line..

Quantum physysts now theorize that it may be possible for time lines to intersect sometimes..This could also explain some other paranormal phenomenon such as ghosts and maybe even big foot...Suppose the witnesses who have reported seeing the spirit of Abraham Lincoln in the White House,aren't really seeing his dead spirit but are witnessing a vision of old Abe alive and well in his own time...Maybe people who see bigfoots are actually taking advantage of one of these rips to see a distant relative of man,living many thousands of years ago..That would explain why nobody so far has caught one...

I don't know,just something to ponder...These are mysteries that at present do not seem to have a resolution and I have a feeling,it will be a looooooooooong time before they ever do...



















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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2008, 04:11:47 PM »

Well of course there are UFOs..How else would we explain Bushpig?

Oh I forgot-we aren't supposed to be flaming...

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flame all you want, just make sure you stick to the topic and make your points along the way. at least thats how i understand it.

as for UFO's

meh, dont really care one way or the other. people are fucking stupid and let their imaginations get the best of them. im a cynic by nature so if someone can prove it ill believe it. otherwise i probably wont.
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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2008, 04:58:56 PM »

This could also explain some other paranormal phenomenon such as ghosts and maybe even big foot...Suppose the witnesses who have reported seeing the spirit of Abraham Lincoln in the White House,aren't really seeing his dead spirit but are witnessing a vision of old Abe alive and well in his own time...Maybe people who see bigfoots are actually taking advantage of one of these rips to see a distant relative of man,living many thousands of years ago..That would explain why nobody so far has caught one...

You were making good sense until this part. There is no time traveling Bigfoot from another dimension. The guy who took that grainy video which started everything is dead now and his widow came clean and admitted the whole thing was hoax and how some guy dressed in an ape suit.

There's also no Loch Ness Monster either. The guy who took that grainy video of fins in the water which started everything came clean and admitted it was hoax and even showed how he did it with a remote control boat.

But people will want to believe it anyways despite them telling you, haw haw you wuz tr00led. People will believe what they want to believe even in the absence of any proof which is why wars like Iraq get started.

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Re: Are UFO's extraterrestrial or not?
« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2008, 05:41:08 PM »

You were making good sense until this part. There is no time traveling Bigfoot from another dimension. The guy who took that grainy video which started everything is dead now and his widow came clean and admitted the whole thing was hoax and how some guy dressed in an ape suit.

You're talking about the Patterson vid from '69...Actually I'm pretty skeptical of that  little piece of evidence too but that's not the point...That tactic is one the cynics often use but it's really a moot point...Remember,in the paranormal,just as like anything else in life,there are good honest folks and there are crooks and charlitians trying to get attention and get a buck off of it..The interesting thing about that particular piece of evidence is it has never been reproduced to this day..In 1969,the best thing holly wood could even come up with was Charleton Heston's Planet of The Apes but we are supposed to believe a bunch of drunk cowboys dressed some guy up in a gorilla suit and made such an authentic looking piece of tape? Honestly their 'explanation' sounds as fishy as the alternative..Isn't it also just as plausable Mr.Patterson's family just got tired of the publicity and just threw the hoax story out there to ensure they would be left alone? I dunno...I've never seen a sasquatch so I don't know if they exist or not,but I will not totally discount the reports of those who claim they have..

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There's also no Loch Ness Monster either. The guy who took that grainy video of fins in the water which started everything came clean and admitted it was hoax and even showed how he did it with a remote control boat.

Well-I dunno if there is some kind of prehistoric animal living in Loch Ness or not..I lean towards the not side now since the Loch has been pretty thourouly searched and nothing has been thusly found..BUT-I would find that more beliveable then a lot of shit the Republicans try to tell me..

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But people will want to believe it anyways despite them telling you, haw haw you wuz tr00led. People will believe what they want to believe even in the absence of any proof which is why wars like Iraq get started.

My belief in the paranormal things I DO know something about doesn't stem from what somebody 'want's me to believe' or from urban legends,or from TV shows on the SciFi Channel..Like most Paranormal people,my interest stems from what I have expirianced personally..There is an old saying "A skeptic is just a person who hasn't had an expiriance yet" I think that's prolly true because I've always tried to take a non-New age fluffy bullshit,pseudo science view of these things...BUT......

Have you ever had an invisible being throw a can of coffee at you? I have.....You know,you can always blow off things you hear or even things you see sometimes because yes-your mind can play tricks on you...But when the shit starts getting physical---that's kinda hard to just pretend it was swamp gas or a damn trick of the light-knowwhatImean?

Can I PROVE this event to you? Nope.....Do I give a shit what you think? Nope.....

~I just want to know WTF happened to me...Cuz the shit was weird....~
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