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A hyper-vigilant society
« on: February 05, 2009, 09:02:46 AM »

Saw a story about a high school incident.  Somebody dropped a thermometer in the chemistry lab and the mercury went on the floor.  They evacuated the chemistry lab first, then an hour later, evacuated the whole fucking school.

Now when I was a kid I remember having some mercury in a vial and taking it out and rolling it around in my hands.  I've suffered no longer term effects (I believe the thrid arm growing out of my forehead to be purely coincidental.)

Isn't society getting entirely too worked up about stuff like this, especially about kids?  I even heard a thing on the radio where some whackjob was railing against THIRD hand smoke....i.e. renting an apartment for instance, that had once housed smokers.  He was going on about the health hazards to young children.

Witness the advent of bottled water, which I think is one of the greatest retail frauds of all time.  Getting people to pay for water that's probably no different from what comes out of their tap, in the interest of "health."  Meanwhile producing billions of fucking plastic bottles that will stay in a landfill forever.

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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 04:57:35 PM »

Strangely no mention of that other arm stuck up your ass.  But I digress...the bottle water thing has always puzzled me.  Intelligent people, you would think, wouldn't go for this snake oil. 
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2009, 05:35:06 PM »

Whole industries have developed over the past few years.  I was chatting to a janitor who works at the local University.  They have the big old Victorian windows in the place...when the scum sucking toe rag students (his words) pull a curtain off the rails the old school method of matey bowling up a pair of steps and hooking the fucker back up has gone right out the window...they now have to contract a scaffolding outfit in...a full health & safety spec is carried out...they close down the room...the scaffolders erect the scaffolding...the curtain is hooked back up...the scaffolders disassemble the scaffolding and they fuck off with a grand in their sky rockets.

I blame America  :snack:
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2009, 09:25:33 PM »

I've broken a few glass thermometers myself.
I agree that everything is getting so political proper.  A person can't sit down without someone proclaiming that your going too cause long term dammage to your illiac by simply sitting. For example.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2009, 12:12:22 AM »

holy ass the entire school are you serious? Shit!
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2009, 01:03:26 AM »

At a point in the not too distant future...

Cut to a tv screen in a hastily abandoned room, an unfinished meal lies half eaten on the kitchen counter, wine from an upended bottle drips into and ever increasing pool on the floor.

Voiceover:Mass evacuations have taken place throughout the state today and the nation is gripped in a state of suspense and panic. It was reported that earlier this morning bystanders at a local McDonalds noticed that an employee handled two different orders of fries without changing sanitary gloves.

In the resulting chaos some of the contaminated fries were inadvertantly mixed in with other fries in the fry tray resulting in an unstoppable wave of cross contamination which is said to have spread to the burger grill and even involved some crumbs falling on to the floor.

FEMA has taken control of the area and a robot equipped with chemical, radiological and bacterial sensors is reported to have entered ground zero. As yet no news has come from inside but a world wide vigil is in place and people from aroung the world are joining hands to pray for the safety of those involved...*Static*...be alarmed...*Static* something is coming out!...*prolonged static* RUN, RUUUUUUU*prolonged static*

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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2009, 09:23:00 AM »

Not too distant future:Yup, that'll probably happen....oh, say....in a couple weeks.

What I wonder is how far this type of thing will go, and is there ANY way for society to back off being psychotic about the dust mites in the sofa?
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2009, 09:37:59 AM »

Just an OT question Tuscon.

I know the USAAF has a lot of excercizes and bases in AZ, do you get to see much heavy metal action? F-16's and that?

Do they still have Red Flag in AZ?
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2009, 05:43:23 PM »

I remember as a kid also breaking a thermometer and playing with the mercury drops for hours. I was fascinated by that stuff. Im sure i must have rubbed my hands all over my face after touching it but thank goodness I didnt ingest enough of it to make me sick and die.

I said in another thread that back then, parents were just fucking clueless about the safety of kids. No child seats, no mandatory seat belts, fatty foods, flammable spider man pajamas, all kinds of unsafe shit but somehow we managed to make it.

Unless there was some kind of mercury gas in the air, i think that evacuating an entire school is now going too far but in general Im glad to see that nowadays parents are much more in tune with the safety and well being of children.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2009, 06:32:25 PM »

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Witness the advent of bottled water, which I think is one of the greatest retail frauds of all time.

I remember 20 odd years ago laughing at the prospect that one day we'd pay for water in bottles, it just seemed so far fetched. Nowadays i'm as guilty as anyone else and my kids won't touch tap water. Mind you, i have a stomach ulcer and when it's playing up bottled water is the only thing i can keep down even tap water makes me spew so i guess there may be something in it.  :-\
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2009, 09:54:48 PM »

Just an OT question Tuscon.

I know the USAAF has a lot of excercizes and bases in AZ, do you get to see much heavy metal action? F-16's and that?

Do they still have Red Flag in AZ?

Monthan AFB near Tucson seems to be the main base for A-10's - a couple are always in the air.  Big plane mothball site and graveyard too.  They've got a plane museum of the sorts and the best part is that once a month you can go down there and actually sit in an SR-71 Blackbird, probably the coolest looking plane ever built.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2009, 01:37:25 AM »

ooOOOOoooOoOo AZ, did you get to see the porn during the superbowl? I saw it all fuzzed out up in the weener on the news the next day but still - a dude getting blown all the same!
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2009, 04:12:05 AM »

Monthan AFB near Tucson seems to be the main base for A-10's - a couple are always in the air.  Big plane mothball site and graveyard too.  They've got a plane museum of the sorts and the best part is that once a month you can go down there and actually sit in an SR-71 Blackbird, probably the coolest looking plane ever built.

Yeah, I remember looking at Davis-Monthan on Google Earth. Rows and rows of B-52's etc.

To me going there would be like Charlie going to the Willi Wonka chocolate factory.

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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2009, 01:00:22 PM »

I read a report (don't remember where) that mentioned the probable reason why children nowadays had so many allergies and ailments was because the parents don't allow them to become immune to bacteria.  They stated that being allowed to play in dirt and get muddied helps our immune system gain strength to combat every day bacteria....maybe they are on to something. 

I remember coming home covered in dirt from head to toe, and my Mom putting me in the tub and showering me down (clothes and all).  Now all I ever see are immaculate kids at playgrounds, and Mothers with boxes of wet naps or bottles of Purell handy at all times.  :sad:
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2009, 01:13:27 PM »

I read a report (don't remember where) that mentioned the probable reason why children nowadays had so many allergies and ailments was because the parents don't allow them to become immune to bacteria.  They stated that being allowed to play in dirt and get muddied helps our immune system gain strength to combat every day bacteria....maybe they are on to something. 

I remember coming home covered in dirt from head to toe, and my Mom putting me in the tub and showering me down (clothes and all).  Now all I ever see are immaculate kids at playgrounds, and Mothers with boxes of wet naps or bottles of Purell handy at all times.  :sad:

I tend to disagree a bit with that. The wife and I talked to a nurse about a similar subject...and she brought up a very interesting hypothesis. She was of the opinion it's more due to the fact that because of technological advances, that kids born premature are more likely to survive, whereas they wouldnt have survived decades ago. It makes one wonder what the impact is of full development in the mothers womb.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2009, 01:35:04 PM »

I tend to disagree a bit with that. The wife and I talked to a nurse about a similar subject...and she brought up a very interesting hypothesis. She was of the opinion it's more due to the fact that because of technological advances, that kids born premature are more likely to survive, whereas they wouldnt have survived decades ago. It makes one wonder what the impact is of full development in the mothers womb.
??? What do Preemies have to do with the thread topic?
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2009, 09:34:27 PM »


Witness the advent of bottled water, which I think is one of the greatest retail frauds of all time.  Getting people to pay for water that's probably no different from what comes out of their tap, in the interest of "health."  Meanwhile producing billions of fucking plastic bottles that will stay in a landfill forever.

I have seen results of a consumer research group testing of bottled water.  70% had unacceptable levels of sodium, the imported brands were significantly more contaminated than local tap water and the cleanest water was the cheapest.

You're not wrong about the landfill and to top it off, there is talk that the plastic leaches some shit into the water that results in increased incidences of breast cancer.   Apparently the water should be changed daily and kept cool as the leaching occurs more when the temperature increases.  Water bottles left in cars are supposedly a big no,no.

Hyper vigilance is probably good.  When it is focused appropriately.   Pity is that it is wasted on the small stuff and that just pisses people off.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2009, 10:37:47 PM »

That's funny- I just heard on the radio today about hw there are traces of pharmaceuticals and other chemicals in our drinking water because of people flushing pills down toilets, more over-medicated people emitting waste, etc. Gross to think not everything gets filtered at the plants, but alas it is so! I myself will keep on drinking the bottled shit to be safe.

As far as what Ang said- I heard the same thing. Too many anti-bacterial everythings and people making sure everythiung is pristine. These kids go to child care or kindergarten and get Effed in the A with bacteria and other kid's germs and are sick all the time. My kids are rarely sick because we never forced them to be in a sterile environment.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 03:06:22 PM »

My father was a strong believer in allowing ones immune system to build up.  To that end, unless my sister or I were ready to buy the farm from any malady he would not just summarily rush us off to the Dr and pump us full of antibiotics.

As a result, from the time we reached puberty neither of us have been very susceptible to much more than the common cold.

The trade-off?  If something out there is able to bypass our immune systems it's shit nasty stuff for a few days!

For the most part, if I get something that's "going around" and keeps most folks down for a week, I can shake it off in a day or two.


On the subject of going overboard,  if you followed the recommendations when you break a CFL, you'd have to get a haz-mat team in to clean it up.  It's a fucking fluorescent light containing a TINY trace of mercury FFS.  Don't lick the floor clean and wash your hands after you clean it up.  Don't pitch the broken glass in with your recycled glass and I think you'll be just fine!

Fuckin' wow......I suppose we need to all go around in bio isolation suits and wrap ourselves up in bubble wrap lest we contact and germs or contaminants and may fall or bump into anything.
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Re: A hyper-vigilant society
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 03:28:03 PM »

There is a long standing history of native people getting all fucked up by germs that the fascist colonisers had become immune to and look at what happened to the aliens in War of the Worlds....no one would have believed.....


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