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I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of the Yanks here about giving a bunch of fuckers that hate you a billion dollars that you haven't got.


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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 10:35:39 PM »

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That's what I think of that shit. Fuck shit!
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 10:36:24 PM »

That pales in comparison to what we give Israel and Pakistan. Im against "foreign aid" in general as a matter of principle unless we really need to bribe a country bad enough to protect US interest. Most of the bribes foreign aid doesn't do shit for us. Just look at Pakistan. Musharraf is probably a billionaire now thanks to the United States and they are harboring every enemy that caused us to go to war 8 years ago while we stand by and attack them with drones.

The aid to the Palestinian authority will hopefully buy us some goodwill with the Arabs. If we're going to give it away I'd rather it come off the top from the aid we give to Israel and some other countries.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 10:57:19 PM »

If you saw how they lived, you wouldn't be scoffing at the proposal. 
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 11:09:12 PM »

That may be but what about all of the other countries that live horribly? What about Darfur and wherever else in Africa where thousands of kids are dying of Aids and Malaria... and what about the shit areas in the Phillipines? They are everywhere, and how are we supposed to pick which one? I know! The ones who are the most beneficial to us, of course! Well not every poor country has something in it for us and I have no answer on who should be the ones who get it.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 11:15:45 PM »

You need to wake up.  The West has been sending aid to Darfur for a decade, but sense their is no security it doesn't get to the areas that most need it.  Also W.  worked out a grand AIDS iniative for Africa which may be the only good legacy he'll have from his presidency.  Oh, and the Phillipines?  We've been helping them out since TDR.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 11:24:11 PM »

Maybe it hasn't gotten as much play because it isn't billions of dollars when we are having a hard enough time as it is here at home. Maybe they are just scrutinizing more because we are in such a difficult financial time when we should have been scrutinizing for years and haven't been and MAYBE may not be in such a shit position had we all paid attention and scrutinized  more when times appeared to be going ok.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2009, 08:51:48 AM »

Reminds me off a video I saw on the money we were giving to Iraq.  There was actually a pallet loaded with cash.  A WHOLE FUCKING PALLET STACKED 4 FEET HIGH WITH CASH!!!!!!  Iraqis were loading up briefcases of our money.

I still say there one day be some sort of report on the total amount of money that went unaccounted for in Iraq, and the amount will be staggering.  Of $1 billion we gave them for the national police/security, something like 873 million is unaccounted for.

Anyone who thinks money will ameliorate the Palenstinian/Israel situation is just fucking stupid.  Tribal-like fighting is in their history and in their blood.  Fuck them.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2009, 08:57:37 AM »

You need to wake up.  The West has been sending aid to Darfur for a decade, but sense their is no security it doesn't get to the areas that most need it.  Also W.  worked out a grand AIDS iniative for Africa which may be the only good legacy he'll have from his presidency.  Oh, and the Phillipines?  We've been helping them out since TDR.

Too true, most of the aid we send gets traded for guns and ammo or wide screen TV's for some fatcats imperial palace.

As for the Phillipines I don't know if anyone remembers the phrase "I shall return".

A lot of aid goes to a lot of different countries, it is just misappropriated or misallocated. There is no worthwhile UN security force to ensure that foreign aid does what it is supposed too.

So it gets left up to individual countries to try to help out in their own ways.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2009, 09:15:11 AM »

Anyone who thinks money will ameliorate the Palenstinian/Israel situation is just fucking stupid.  Tribal-like fighting is in their history and in their blood.  Fuck them.

It won't wholly solve it, but if you can get the Palestinians in the former occupied territories past living in squaller, it would help a lot.   Then let the other Arab states take care of the rest of the Palestinians living in refugee camps in their countries. 
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2009, 02:35:17 PM »

It won't wholly solve it, but if you can get the Palestinians in the former occupied territories past living in squaller, it would help a lot.


That's it in a nutshell.  I reckon that Bader-Meinhof and the Red Army Factions are the only examples in history of affluent terrorists and that was more of a "political" thing, plus Germans are just plain odd.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2009, 03:44:31 PM »

The more I thought about, the more I sorta like the idea.  Like it in the sense that it shows Obama is willing to break presidential tradition by not laying down for Israel.  I'm sure it's a big factor in the Arab worled hating us, that we've kissed Jewish ass for decades.

Israel's incursions into Gaza were precisely timed for the lame duck portion of Bush's term, when no one was likely to say/do anything to stop them.  And it conveniently ended when Obama was sworn in.

I just think we could have done it cheaper.  Like a telegram to Israel saying "We ain't your bitch no more."
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2009, 03:56:01 PM »

It won't wholly solve it, but if you can get the Palestinians in the former occupied territories past living in squaller, it would help a lot.   Then let the other Arab states take care of the rest of the Palestinians living in refugee camps in their countries.

I doubt it will help at all, except in the way I mentioned in the post above.  In reality this thing infuriates me even though I'm behind Obama as president.  What the fuck are we doing sending billions over there when people here losing their homes and healthcare, and this recession is far from over?  If this was up for referendum vote I'd vote no without a qualm.

"Winning hearts and minds" didn't work in Viet Nam or Iraq.  Israel will still be ready to fuck over the Palestinians whenever they can, and the hothead extremist Palestinians will still continue terrorism when they can.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2009, 04:08:35 PM »

I doubt it will help at all, except in the way I mentioned in the post above.  In reality this thing infuriates me even though I'm behind Obama as president.  What the fuck are we doing sending billions over there when people here losing their homes and healthcare, and this recession is far from over?  If this was up for referendum vote I'd vote no without a qualm.

"Winning hearts and minds" didn't work in Viet Nam or Iraq.  Israel will still be ready to fuck over the Palestinians whenever they can, and the hothead extremist Palestinians will still continue terrorism when they can.

"Winning hearts and minds" with bombs and bullets when you invade their country??? You fucking arrogant ignorant cunt.  I can't believe anyone could imagine they would be liked when invading someone elses country and murdering their women and children.   Seriously dude... that is just stoopid :huh:
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2009, 04:23:41 PM »

Bottom line to me is, the USA needs to start being a bit selfish these days. No aide to anyone till we get our financial shit together, and get that deficit under control. If folks gotta go hungry, and die of preventable disease... so be it. It's called natural selection, and the world is overpopulated anyway.
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2009, 06:18:30 PM »

Bottom line to me is, the USA needs to start being a bit selfish these days. No aide to anyone till we get our financial shit together, and get that deficit under control. If folks gotta go hungry, and die of preventable disease... so be it. It's called natural selection, and the world is overpopulated anyway.

fucken aye!  :authority:
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2009, 06:25:00 PM »

"Winning hearts and minds" with bombs and bullets when you invade their country??? You fucking arrogant ignorant cunt.  I can't believe anyone could imagine they would be liked when invading someone elses country and murdering their women and children.   Seriously dude... that is just stoopid :huh:

How about Germany?

The Allies deliberately targeted civilians in 'round the clock' bombing during WW2 and yet I am sure there were plenty of Germans who greeted their liberators with open arms.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2009, 06:58:34 PM »

How about Germany?

The Allies deliberately targeted civilians in 'round the clock' bombing during WW2 and yet I am sure there were plenty of Germans who greeted their liberators with open arms.


In that case "the liberators" presence signaled the end of civilian casualties rather than the escalation of them.    There is also the small consideration of the fact that the Germans knew they had it coming as they were the protagonists who started the war by invading a shitload of Europe.

Fuck knows why Palestinians are viewed as badly as they are, considering they only want what is due to them... Fuck the jews
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2009, 07:16:07 PM »

"Winning hearts and minds" didn't work in Viet Nam or Iraq.  Israel will still be ready to fuck over the Palestinians whenever they can, and the hothead extremist Palestinians will still continue terrorism when they can.

"Winning hearts and minds" with bombs and bullets when you invade their country??? You fucking arrogant ignorant cunt.  I can't believe anyone could imagine they would be liked when invading someone elses country and murdering their women and children.   Seriously dude... that is just stoopid :huh:


Thats not what he meant but no doubt he'll clear that up himself  :hide:


And yeah, it would be fucking sweet if the reasoning behind the timing of the yidds blitzing Gaza backfired on the fuckers in giving Obama a very nice "out"  :2thumbs: :angrynana:
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Re: Hey, have a billion, buy some stars & bars, happy burning lads
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2009, 07:29:38 PM »


Thats not what he meant but no doubt he'll clear that up himself  :hide:


And yeah, it would be fucking sweet if the reasoning behind the timing of the yidds blitzing Gaza backfired on the fuckers in giving Obama a very nice "out"  :2thumbs: :angrynana:

..<shrug>.. I assumed he was inferring that their acts of "police action" were designed to win heart and minds... My bad if he wasn't.   
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