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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2014, 11:22:54 PM »

Ok, you verbose fucker, I couldn't properly quote your post, but I'll do my best...
Gee, and here I was thinking I was giving you the Readers Digest version. Can't you find someone with an ass the size of Caskur's to smuggle you in an iPad or don't they breed them that big out your way? :lol:

No, what I was arguing was that given the unknowns regarding consciousness, it is entirely possible that consciousness gave rise to organized matter, rather than the other way around. And the possibility of Observer Created Reality supports that thesis. Granted, OCR has fallen out of favour in recent years, but phenomena such as the Placebo Effect, mind over matter, ect., says to me that perhaps we shouldn't be so hasty to dismiss it. Even your example of the "phantom pain" tends to support OCR.
How so? Phantom pain is largely regarded as the associated nerves and the brain "filling in the gaps" so to speak. We see analogues of the brain adapting to the near absence in stimuli when standing in a darkened room for long enough, or in an anechoic chamber for long enough. The body adjusts to the reduced substance until the background noise of the body becomes exceptionally noticeable. Nerves from a severed appendage are still reporting to the same pidgeonholes in the brain, it will interpret the noise as though the missing body part were still there, but whether I run over that big toe 5 miles away or on the sidewalk in front of you you would not feel it being crushed.

Now we're getting into murky waters. Exactly what gives rise to life is a question that stumps the best minds in biological science today. If we assume that life, at its core, is naught but a replication engine for the propigation of DNA, then why tthe need for conciousness at all?
As a survival mechanism of course. Consciousness is emergent, at its most basic it will drive an organism to feed, fuck and fight. A slightly more advanced consciousness would find more efficient and easy ways to feed and to fight and to fuck, it would therefore be doing more of it. The mutation survives, eventually another will replace it or build on it, consciousness grows. What we have now has been scientifically arrived at after 13 billion years of trial and error... and there you have the answer to the "what" which gave rise to life itself, also a large part of the "how" and the "why" I fancy.

And as far as where conciousness resides, I'll grant that the brain is involved, but not necisssarily the origin. And all matter conforms to quantum rule. It must, at some level, as we are all made of quantum particles.
The matter that goes to make up you and I however is not traveling at the speed of light (nowhere near it), even the nerve impulses are traveling significantly slower than light (even if we take into account the 100,000 years it takes for the photons emitted from the fusion taking place in the core of our own sun to reach its surface before completing the 93 million mile leg of its journey in 8½ minutes). So even if the matter we are made of has the potential for quantum behaviour, it sure as shit ain't exhibiting it.

It has even been suggested that there are macro manifestations of quantum effects. And it has been proven that you cannot discount the observer when making a quantum measurement.
Mmmmmm, but if you were to walk up to Erwin Schrödinger and tell him his cat was quite literally both alive and dead until the simple act of lifting a shoebox lid and taking a peek was sufficient to bring it out of a quantum state it clearly did not inhabit, he'd probably swap your bars and prison garb for padded walls and a straitjacket himself. Or you could knacker yourself in the gymnasium tomorrow and hobble about screaming to the inmates about quantum sexuality and how you're somehow both male and female until someone pulls your pants down to check if you split your scrotum open into a vagina or not. Something tells me you'll be occupying that particular quantum state for quite a while (and at the great mirth of your colleagues) until someone has the presence of mind to clip you over the ear and tell you to settle the fuck down.

Models and analogies only get us so far in science. Occam's razor generally prevails and the simplest explanations are bourne out as truth. No one single part of us is moving anywhere near (fas less at) the speed of light to any observer, therefore we cannot be said to exist in a quantum state.

Oh, and as far as the "6 quarks" and Big Bang, size and scale are also Relative, as per General Relativity.
Yes, and if I recall the theory correctly, it started with all the raw material of the universe inside a volume smaller than that of a pinhead. Perfectly feasible when you consider the actual composition of even something as dense as lead is largely empty space at the atomic level; remove it and you'll still have the same mass, though the volume could not even be considered yoctoscopic.


And at the largest levels of the universe, galaxy clusters, the largest known coherent structures in the universe, appear as star-like points of light. Which would put you and me and earth itself in the sub-atomic realm. And how about all that Dark Matter? And then there's the Zero Point energy, powered by Virtual Particles. Who says a human soul can't reside in its entirety within a single atom? Matter is just a cold, stable form of energy. And given the implications of E=mc2, the energy contained in a single atom is enormous. Just ask the folks at Hiroshima and Nagasaki... 
That firecracker? Please, singly they each clocked in under 5 kilos, significantly lighter than the organic and mineral life that while reduced to rubble and in some case vaporized did not achieve the runaway chain reaction that panicked scientists theorized they might.

But the survivors were horribly scarred at a genetic level which makes me wonder; over all the many many years since it was decided we even had souls, how it it that nobody's managed to mutate an organism that has many of them? Some oozing globular cancerous growth that deforms the side of someone's titty? That no-one has been able to produce even ONE instance of a soul cell, far less a soul atom even with 8 billion supposed examples to inspect on the planet Iam led squarely back to Occams Razor.

Souls are a figment of the human imagination.
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2014, 03:01:26 AM »

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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2014, 10:04:03 PM »

Oh, and as far as the "6 quarks" and Big Bang, size and scale are also Relative, as per General Relativity. And at the largest levels of the universe, galaxy clusters, the largest known coherent structures in the universe, appear as star-like points of light. Which would put you and me and earth itself in the sub-atomic realm. And how about all that Dark Matter? And then there's the Zero Point energy, powered by Virtual Particles. Who says a human soul can't reside in its entirety within a single atom? Matter is just a cold, stable form of energy. And given the implications of E=mc2, the energy contained in a single atom is enormous. Just ask the folks at Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Man is a "soul" .... a "soul" as rendered by religion is not some invisible being that floats off someones body when they die!

You have humans and supposedly there are angels, fallen Angels which are spirits...

But if you knew Genesis, you'd know that!
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2014, 11:36:06 PM »

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Gee, and here I was thinking I was giving you the Readers Digest version...
You are. It's just that when your browser starts coughing and spitting if you even THINK about heading out of the sub-2000 character slums, everything starts looking like a scroll-bomb.
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How so? Phantom Pain is largely regarded as the associated nerves and the brain "filling in the gaps"...
By creating pain for a limb that does not, in fact, exist, of course. No nerve endings, no pain. And yet, Phantom Pain can be excruciating. True enough, the amputee doesn't regrow ant appendages, but to the person madly clicking the morphine button, I imagine the difference is trivial.
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As a survival mechanism, of course. Consciousness is emergant. At its most basic, it will drive an organism to feed, fuck, and fight...
Ahhh...but in the beginning, (heh) all was single-celled organisims. Assuming consciousness to be an emergant proprety (unless we are to assume single celled organisims to be concious)that only arose with the advent of multicellular life, then the first rudimentery glimmers of conciousness would not have appeared until at least the Cambrian Explosion, roughly 550 million years ago, and several BILLION years after the first apperance of self replicating lifeforms. And as the first lifeforms almost certainly reproduced asexually, there wasn't a lot of fucking going on either. So the question remains: to what purpose, conciousness?.To aid in DNA propigation? Unnecessary. Reductio Ad Absurdum is fine for experiment, but as a reason for life in its miriad guises, falls short by light-years...I'll get bact to Schrodinger and the speed of matter...gotta run.
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2014, 12:01:57 AM »

 Ok, the mental construct known as "Schrodingers Cat", used to illustrate, quantum superposition, may very well not actually exist in our frame of reference in both an ALIVE and DEAD state, but if you envoke the quantum multi verse scenario, suddenly things get a little muddy. Perhaps in "our" universe the cat is dead. But in a parallel universe, ol fluffy is playing come hither with the nearest ball of yarn.
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2014, 03:01:57 AM »

You are. It's just that when your browser starts coughing and spitting if you even THINK about heading out of the sub-2000 character slums, everything starts looking like a scroll-bomb.
That may well be, but you are dealing with a topic that doesn't exactly lend itself to brevity. What I gave you was the short version; I could have gone into far greater depth and did not, mindful of your circumstance.

By creating pain for a limb that does not, in fact, exist, of course. No nerve endings, no pain.
Except that the nerves do end, truncated at a point somewhere around the amputation. The logical knowledge of the limb being missing is clearly not rewriting the sensory perception; all those nerves that went to the amputated item are still there and functional, if truncated. The brain was used to those nerves reporting on a specific area of the body, ergo pain is being reported for a body part which no longer exists.

Ahhh...but in the beginning, (heh) all was single-celled organisims. Assuming consciousness to be an emergant proprety (unless we are to assume single celled organisims to be concious)that only arose with the advent of multicellular life, then the first rudimentery glimmers of conciousness would not have appeared until at least the Cambrian Explosion, roughly 550 million years ago, and several BILLION years after the first apperance of self replicating lifeforms. And as the first lifeforms almost certainly reproduced asexually, there wasn't a lot of fucking going on either. So the question remains: to what purpose, conciousness?.To aid in DNA propigation? Unnecessary. Reductio Ad Absurdum is fine for experiment, but as a reason for life in its miriad guises, falls short by light-years...
You could always prove it by experimentation. Start dragging your knuckles, drool uncontrollably, make demented moaning noises with your eyes crossed, walk out in front of speeding traffic etc...

Something tells me there won't be as many offers to propogate the Zeropoint gene pool as there might be if you showed some self awareness, but feel free to prove me wrong if you must.

Ok, the mental construct known as "Schrodingers Cat", used to illustrate, quantum superposition, may very well not actually exist in our frame of reference in both an ALIVE and DEAD state, but if you envoke the quantum multi verse scenario, suddenly things get a little muddy. Perhaps in "our" universe the cat is dead. But in a parallel universe, ol fluffy is playing come hither with the nearest ball of yarn.
If it doesn't exist within our frame of reference then why consider it in the first place? Maybe alternate universes exist, maybe not, but it occurs to me that only the things within our frame of reference have the capacity to be observed and perceived; the mitochondria in one cell of the ejaculate one wipes off their belly has about as much perception of its neighbours as it does of its distant (and no less inaccessible) relatives in the bacteria being farted out by a cow 20 miles away.

Just keeping it in perspective for ya. ;)
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2014, 11:09:08 PM »

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The matter that goes to make up you and I is not traveling at the speed of light
Locally, that is apparently true. But as Einstein himself pointed out, if all objects are travelling at the same speed in a given frame of reference, any observer inside that system will observe that all objects within that system are not moving at all- they are standing still. This is a core principal of General Relativity, along with the warping of spacetime via gravity. But in higher-diminsional space, it is entirely possible that what we know as the bestObservational Limit of our universe could be moving at any speed, even superluminal speeds. Which has interesting implications for time and causality.
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Except that nerves do end, truncated at a point somewhere around the amputation...
True...The nerve-trunk DOES still exist, as does the brain that interperates tthe signals. The point is, the nerves of, say a hand, DO NOT. And yet, recent experiments have shown that a test subject who merely THINKS of moving a non-existant arm is able to effect control of a specially designed prosthetic. Sounds like "mind over matter" to me...
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If it doesn't exist within our frame of reference...
This is being a tad reductionist in that  many quantum effects do not exist "in our frame of reference" but are nevertheless recognized as empirically "real". Neutrinos, virtual particals, Dark Matter, Dark Energy...the list goes on and on. And macro quantum effects are evedent and observable in phenomana such as superconducting materals, in which the entangled state of the electrons in the materal cause them to function as a single entity...a single electron.
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2014, 04:05:32 AM »

Locally, that is apparently true. But as Einstein himself pointed out, if all objects are travelling at the same speed in a given frame of reference, any observer inside that system will observe that all objects within that system are not moving at all- they are standing still. This is a core principal of General Relativity, along with the warping of spacetime via gravity. But in higher-diminsional space, it is entirely possible that what we know as the bestObservational Limit of our universe could be moving at any speed, even superluminal speeds. Which has interesting implications for time and causality.
Not really. If I moved away from you fast enough you wouldn't magically shoot back up inside your mothers cunt even if it were possible for me to keep an eye on you for long enough to see it happen. Everything that had ever had an effect on you might from my perspective to be seen to be preceding the cause but to every observer from your perspective that wouldn't make it so. Similarly I wouldn't be travelling into the past from my perspective either, but to your perspective I would be. Simple superluminal speeds are not sufficient to make effect precede cause, merely the appearance they have done so. That's how relativity works.

True, but iI just couldn't resist dragging you into it...
So you're a masochist who likes creating problems to complain about then... check. :lol:

True...The nerve-trunk DOES still exist, as does the brain that interperates tthe signals. The point is, the nerves of, say a hand, DO NOT. And yet, recent experiments have shown that a test subject who merely THINKS of moving a non-existant arm is able to effect control of a specially designed prosthetic. Sounds like "mind over matter" to me...
Welll duhhh, your hand is "matter" your mind is controlling it. Remove the hand and replace it with a prosthesis that may interpret the motor signals fed it by the truncated nerves and the mind will eventually learn to control it in place of the hand... but that is not really the point.

No, the point is that the phantom sensations of the removed body part are still being sensed not because they are magically communicating through some kind of ether, but because the nerves are still sending impulses to the brain which in turn is processing them. The example you've furnished is off point.

This is being a tad reductionist in that  many quantum effects do not exist "in our frame of reference" but are nevertheless recognized as empirically "real". Neutrinos, virtual particals, Dark Matter, Dark Energy...the list goes on and on. And macro quantum effects are evedent and observable in phenomana such as superconducting materals, in which the entangled state of the electrons in the materal cause them to function as a single entity...a single electron.
You are not a neutrino, nor are you a virtual particle, dark matter, dark energy, a superconducting material or even a spaghettified meat popsicle jizzing the contents of your nuts into a black hole. In short, you are not a piece of quantum matter any more than you are a blue giant or a supernova with a bad dose of the crabs.

Just in case you weren't sure.  :slap:
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2014, 03:11:12 PM »

Man is a "soul" .... a "soul" as rendered by religion is not some invisible being that floats off someones body when they die!

You have humans and supposedly there are angels, fallen Angels which are spirits...

But if you knew Genesis, you'd know that!

This is all mumbo jumbo that dolts like you are spoonfed because theres fuck all else between your ears.
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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2014, 02:13:00 PM »

This is all mumbo jumbo that dolts like you are spoonfed because theres fuck all else between your ears.

No it's not....

It's the first thing I learned watching the Seven Day Adventist program back in 1976 and later with the JWs reasoning on the scriptures.

False religion teaches otherwise...

I'd show you but then Bra1n gets in twist when religion is brought up... I think the nuns were cruel to him growing up and it turned him off, understandably, religion.

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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2014, 11:15:15 PM »

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Superluminal speeds are not sufficient to make effect precede cause. Merely the appearence they have done so. That's how Reletivity works.
Actually, you're wrong aboutthis. Although I suppose we could argue about the meaning of "appearance" in this context. However, you're right that we've strayed WAY off topic. It seems to me that every time someone says that something is impossible, they are proved not just wrong but spectacularly wrong. And yes, I realize that jumping from a plane without a parachute would be bad for your health. The point I was trying to make by use of the mind controling a prosthetic arm is that "mind over matter" isn't just a cleche'...it is an observable, measurable phenomenon, and as such, I think it's reasonable to ask- what is the limit, if any? There is a reason drug trials went from single, to double, to TRIPLE blind studies you know. They HAD to.
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2014, 01:32:56 AM »

Actually, you're wrong about this. Although I suppose we could argue about the meaning of "appearance" in this context.

We could, we might also argue whether the student whose summary you've chosen to make your case is a recognized expert in his field and if not are there any such experts prepared to lend their name to his theory? Preferably one who isn't stuck out in the boondocks, Bawwstrayya isn't exactly known for their funding for the education sector after all.

The point I was trying to make by use of the mind controling a prosthetic arm is that "mind over matter" isn't just a cleche'...it is an observable, measurable phenomenon, and as such, I think it's reasonable to ask- what is the limit, if any?

And I think its reasonable to expect that if you sliced off your dick in the cell door tomorrow you might determine that limit to be dependent on whether or not the appendage was connected to you... by nerves or by a controlling apparatus of some sort. Or are you proposing that masturbating yourself vigorously enough... say with an anally inserted Toilet Duck.. might be sufficient for the power of your mind to promote an erection in the severed tissue?

Heh... "Voodoo dick my arse!" :lol:

There is a reason drug trials went from single, to double, to TRIPLE blind studies you know. They HAD to.


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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2014, 04:26:23 AM »

Where is Zero btw?

Cavity search found his plastic wrapped mobi and 3 months in solitary?

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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2014, 04:39:31 AM »

Ah yes. . .the jailbird. I remember him from one of my missionary visits to Brawl Hall a couple of years ago.  I seem to recall describing in excruciating detail over about 6 or so paragraphs the dinner I had just enjoyed that evening at Charley's Steakhouse. . .

I think he called me a faggot, so I went ahead and posted some pics of me with my dick in the mouth of a blonde wannabe porn star for his prison fapping pleasure. 

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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2014, 04:42:28 AM »

I seem to recall describing in excruciating detail over about 6 or so paragraphs 

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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2014, 04:43:47 AM »

Of course.  You get the strip AND the filet! Best cut, as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2014, 04:54:03 AM »

FFS. Don't tell the resident Aussie whale.

We'll get a calorie count and its effects on her diabetes for fuckin months.
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Re: Conciousness and Immortality
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2014, 02:18:16 PM »

I think you're confusing life or death with a computer switch.
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