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Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« on: August 15, 2017, 11:15:33 AM »

The Trump administration Dept of Justice is seeking to find out the IPs and other information for all visitors to a website connected to organizing political protests against Trump and his January 20th inauguration.

According to online service provider Dreamhost, they were served with a search warrant demanding that DreamHost provide the records of 1.3 million visitor IP addresses, as well as contact information, emails and photos to the domain DisruptJ20.org.

Needless to say, there are some serious Constitutional issues and concerns with such governmental intrusion and overbroad request.

DreamHost is challenging the request in court. A court hearing is scheduled for Aug 18th. Stay tuned.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40935770

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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2017, 11:38:27 AM »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisruptJ20

http://statelaws.findlaw.com/west-virginia-law/west-virginia-disorderly-conduct-laws.html

http://caselaw.findlaw.com/dc-court-of-appeals/1255679.html

Pretty self explanatory

There are no constitutional issues whatsoever.

and deep down you obviously see issues with a site that proclaims "disrupt" in it's very DNS name or you'd have no problem allowing this site to be recorded at a referrer in their website logs
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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2017, 04:07:25 PM »

The Trump administration Dept of Justice is seeking to find out the IPs and other information for all visitors to a website connected to organizing political protests against Trump and his January 20th inauguration.

According to online service provider Dreamhost, they were served with a search warrant demanding that DreamHost provide the records of 1.3 million visitor IP addresses, as well as contact information, emails and photos to the domain DisruptJ20.org.

Needless to say, there are some serious Constitutional issues and concerns with such governmental intrusion and overbroad request.

DreamHost is challenging the request in court. A court hearing is scheduled for Aug 18th. Stay tuned.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-40935770


Are you going to actually provide some commentary on what these constitutional issues are?  or just regurgitate what we can read for ourselves in the link you've provided?
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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2017, 09:21:11 PM »

Are you going to actually provide some commentary on what these constitutional issues are?  or just regurgitate what we can read for ourselves in the link you've provided?

I may as the case develops for people like Joo who don't seem to grasp the nature of governmental transgression. The main issues are the First Amendment rights of the 1.2 million or so people behind the IPs and the (4th Amendment search and seizure) overbroad scope of the search warrant.

There is no issue about the government's power to investigate and prosecute people for suspected violations of federal law, including illegal activity at protest rallies. That's not what this is about.

Without getting into fine details, the issues here concerns the wide dragnet the DoJ is casting in demanding the IP of VISITORS to a political website which implicates the free speech rights of many people who presumably had nothing to do with protests. FYI, in the hierarchy of Constitutionally protected free speech, political speech is at the apex. So government has a strong burden to overcome actions which tends to suppress it.

The inclusion of all those IPs (including the IPs of many Americans who just clicked a link and have no evidence of any wrongdoing) in the search warrants and subpoena violates their 1st Amendment rights in my view and furthermore, has a chilling effect on free speech, privacy and free association of others who may be less inclined to click on links of anti-Trump sites.

Also, it runs contrary to the Fourth Amendment due to the 'fishing expedition' scope of it.

We'll see what a lower DC court says on the 18th or thereafter and the subsequent hearings which are sure to follow.
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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2017, 09:54:35 PM »

So when crime is committed on a city street which happens to be monitored by surveillance cameras owned by local business it's a violation of the 4th amendment to subpoena the video tapes because some innocent passerby might be seen in the video?

that's seriously going to be the argument you run with here?

FAIL

The right to free speech does not grant the right to ""disrupt"" government process nor cause inconvenience and even possible harm to other citizens which is exactly what this group does when they block roadways which could prove vital to life during emergencies

https://crimethinc.com/2016/11/11/no-peaceful-transition

BIGGER FAIL


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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2017, 10:22:49 PM »

Just so we're all clear here. In brains distorted liberal mentality the government has every right to dispense with all constitutional rights to invade the lives of it's citizens with the aim at conscripting them into forced labor. As long as they're doing so on behalf of some special interest group that feels they've been wrongly discriminated against due to their sexuality

But on the flip side of the coin  that very same government DOES NOT have the right to protect it's law abiding citizens by making an attempt to quash disruptive and otherwise embittered elements of our society who simply cannot accept that their viewpoints are not shared by the majority of our country.

Essentially, the party that preaches tolerance will have none it when called upon to set the example.

The beauty here is that you liberal hypocrisy spewing automatons will never realize that it is this very same hypocrisy that caused a candidate with ZERO political experience to wipe his ass with a political veteran. One who even called herself the first lady for 8 years during what many considered to be an economic utopia.

AND..... he did all that when that very same opponent happened to be a female, running as the first ever female candidate in a  in a country that is majority female.

Holy shit but it gets better than that.

Just to really rub some salt in it just so happens he's treated that majority group as second rate citizens in the past. yet obviously the majority of them voted for him anyway.

Woooooooooo...... Now that's a healthy  serving of some your party is a fat fucking fail if I do say so myself, homie

Your fucking failure is EPIC.
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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2017, 11:34:26 AM »

So when crime is committed on a city street which happens to be monitored by surveillance cameras owned by local business it's a violation of the 4th amendment to subpoena the video tapes because some innocent passerby might be seen in the video?

that's seriously going to be the argument you run with here?

No. Credit for thinking along those terms but that's not the argument. Those are two entirely different scenarios. For starters one involves the privacy expectations, free speech rights and free association rights of over a million people and the other one does not.


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The right to free speech does not grant the right to ""disrupt"" government process nor cause inconvenience and even possible harm to other citizens which is exactly what this group does when they block roadways which could prove vital to life during emergencies

https://crimethinc.com/2016/11/11/no-peaceful-transition

Again, that is not what is being contested in court here. Were there 1.3 million people blocking the road? If some of them used cell phones would that make it right for the government to subpoena the phone records of all the people in DC and Northern Virginia?

You are completely missing the issues. Instead of being reactionary and instinctively defaulting to a 'liberal vs conservative' and another one of your 'much deserved crackdown on libtards' diatribes, you should try to understand the issues first.
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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2017, 11:57:48 AM »

Just so we're all clear here. In brains distorted liberal mentality the government has every right to dispense with all constitutional rights to invade the lives of it's citizens with the aim at conscripting them into forced labor. As long as they're doing so on behalf of some special interest group that feels they've been wrongly discriminated against due to their sexuality

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I will try to keep it civil here because this is a forum for discussion of legal issues and not politics but you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. You don't even have a grasp on the issues of this case.

What you are stating to be my 'liberal position' (which is irrelevant to begin with in this discussion) in your uncontrollable zeal to go on an 'anti-libtard' soapbox diatribe, is the opposite of what it actually is so you don't even have that right.

You just assume what I stand for (In brains distorted liberal mentality... But on the flip side of the coin...) and attack that (i.e., a typical strawman fallacy) rather than sticking with the issues in this thread.

In the end we will see what the courts say about whether it is a winning argument or not. In the meantime what should be under discussion here are Constitutional issues including legal precedence, not reactionary political babble and left vs right generalizations which have no impact on deciding cases like this one.

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Re: Dept of Justice wants IPs of anti-Trump site visitors
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