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#releasethememo
« on: January 24, 2018, 02:10:35 PM »

House Intelligence committee could vote on this as early as next week according to Brietbart.

If its as claimed then all hell could break lose.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/24/house-intel-committee-could-vote-on-releasing-fisa-memo-next-week/
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2018, 05:32:00 PM »

You didn’t get the memo?

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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2018, 05:53:32 PM »

LoL

It's a memo written by one of Nunez's staffers; not an official document.
Not even the republican senate intelligence committee members have been allowed to see a copy.

I'll make a prediction:
The memo is a disjointed screed full of conjecture and innuendo spiced with anonymous sources and unverified "facts".
Depending on the quality of the paper it just might be worthy of wiping someone's bum.
Its sole raison d'etre is to give Drumpf's rabid rabble of core supporters something to freak out about instead of Mueller's investigation.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2018, 07:50:47 PM »

Let's see what the memo says before you torpedo it, Vit.

Not everything fits into your preferred narratives. 
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2018, 08:19:11 PM »

Let's see what the memo says before you torpedo it, Vit.

Not everything fits into your preferred narratives.

If I'm wrong I'll readily admit it.
However, given everything else that's known about how republicans and democrats operate these days, I'm calling preemptive bullshit.
The fact that it's not an intelligence or law enforcement document in any way shape or form tells me that it's partisan dreck.
Nunez has already shown himself to be a complete stooge for Drumpf.
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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2018, 08:47:07 PM »

If I'm wrong I'll readily admit it.
However, given everything else that's known about how republicans and democrats operate these days, I'm calling preemptive bullshit.
The fact that it's not an intelligence or law enforcement document in any way shape or form tells me that it's partisan dreck.
Nunez has already shown himself to be a complete stooge for Drumpf.

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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2018, 10:13:08 PM »

It's a load of steaming horse shit that they want the public to see, just so they can say it's out there, similarly to FOX News posting utter codswallop on their "News" site but failing to put "Opinion" next to it.  Anyone on either side that's still in their right mind wouldn't want it released for reasons of sanity and not giving in to propaganda wars.  But /shrug.... I guess we're way past that at this point.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2018, 10:21:02 PM »

We will see what the memo has...
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2018, 10:44:41 PM »

I think I'll wait until the movie comes out. They can call it "Finding Memo".
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2018, 01:20:33 AM »

Knowing the democrats, if they really were stupid enough to leave the alleged abuse in memos and not make them disappear like the 5 months worth of taxt mesages or any incriminating shit for the DNC, then the Clintons are going to suicide alot of people over it.

Like I said in another thread: The DNC practically wrote the book on corruption, so why would they get careless now?
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2018, 02:37:49 AM »

Pretty sure the DNC was in debt up to its eyeballs until they were bought and paid for by you-know-who. How can you get into that position if NOT by being careless?


And you can be sure the Billaries don't give a red raw shit who takes the fall... for anything if it comes to that. One thing is sure, it won't be them. They can buy their way out of pretty much anything it seems.


Or at least they could until they dropped the ball that fateful November evening. Gotta be a lot of really pissed off shareholders in the Clinton name at this point, discovering that the influence they'd counted on didn't actually count for shit. Ought to be a real hoot to see who they back come 2020.


Because I doubt it will be anything with the name Clinton attached to it. Time will tell.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2018, 05:25:24 AM »

Pretty sure the DNC was in debt up to its eyeballs until they were bought and paid for by you-know-who. How can you get into that position if NOT by being careless?

Obummer instituted a 'no corporate/superPAC contribution' policy and the DNC didn't bother to or was unable to appeal to voters themselves (like Bernie did).
The result was a drying up of DNC coffers that lasted until Hilliary got the policy rescinded so she could keep up with Bernie's fundraising.
Hilliary was only able to "buy" the DNC because without corporate sponsorships the DNC is dirt poor.
They can't raise the money they want from regular citizens because regular citizens know the DNC is a flaming bag of poo.

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« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2018, 05:53:01 AM »

Mmmmm, except that he didn't.


And I do find it interesting that the loudest, most strident chanters of "blue no matter who" were coming from the Schillaryites, as if they could by blind will alone convince the 11% (or was it 15%) of the democrat voters who Bernie had wooed over from the independent camp might stick around after they'd been fucked over. Well, we saw how THAT worked out, didn't we?


Not that I'm sure Bernie would have done a great job of being President, there were very clear signs that the rank and file of the Democrats didn't want him to win, and having watched their obstructionism of Trump since I don't think there's too many people who can argue they wouldn't have exercised those sour grapes at Bernie had he been afforded the one-man-one-vote count the Dems were squealing for after the Electoral College did its worst. Still, I would have preferred to see him win in place of Trump and like a lot of people, when Bernie got kicked to the curb, hanging about to show support for the bitch who did the dirty on him was simply not an option.


I kept hoping I'd see him drop the party affiliation, either running as an independent or throwing his weight behind Jill Stein's campaign. Not throwing his support behind Clinton. I'm willing to bet I wasn't the only one whose estimation of him dropped sharply after that little fiasco. Hillary is and was bad news and I am thankful that common sense prevailed to keep her out of the top job.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2018, 06:11:23 AM »

I kept hoping I'd see him drop the party affiliation, either running as an independent or throwing his weight behind Jill Stein's campaign. Not throwing his support behind Clinton. I'm willing to bet I wasn't the only one whose estimation of him dropped sharply after that little fiasco. Hillary is and was bad news and I am thankful that common sense prevailed to keep her out of the top job.

I too was briefly hopeful he would accept Jill's offer to join her on the Green ticket.
Although I knew Bernie had promised to "get in line" behind Hilliary if she won the primary it still galled because of the way she did so.
My belief that Bernie is one of the few 'good ones' is intact but unless he runs as an independent or 3rd party candidate I'd be hesitant to throw more money at his campaign. The DNC hasn't changed so there's nothing to stop them from rigging the next primary, too.

But yeah- being told in the general election we HAD to choose between Horrible and Terrible didn't work for me.
I can be stubborn like that.
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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2018, 09:03:54 AM »

If I'm wrong I'll readily admit it.
However, given everything else that's known about how republicans and democrats operate these days, I'm calling preemptive bullshit.


You know I get this, from the left you get russia russia russia, and no evidence etc, from the right you get crooks corruption and cover ups again with no solid evidence arrests etc, its like the Paranoia show.

There are a few reasons that I give it credence enough to start a thread, firstly the Oversite commitee (Or what ever its called)voted on party lines vis its release, its been viewed by elected law makers who call it bigger than water gate.

2 problems with what you say. first you view it through the lense of Russia which is not the starting point for the Get hillary crowd who consider russiagate a fabricated hoax.

Secondly, if its nothing why not just post it up? I will admit if they are making a meal out of nothing, I just think theres something to this.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2018, 09:49:07 AM »

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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2018, 10:48:40 AM »

There are a few reasons that I give it credence enough to start a thread, firstly the Oversite commitee (Or what ever its called)voted on party lines vis its release, its been viewed by elected law makers who call it bigger than water gate.

A couple of republicans have said that.
At least one of them got a letter from an actual intelligence agency calling their actions "reckless" or something to that effect.
Why, if it's so important, hasn't Nunes given it to the FBI... or CIA... or any other law enforcement outfit who might be able to actually do something about it?
I suspect it's because they'll laugh at him.

2 problems with what you say. first you view it through the lense of Russia which is not the starting point for the Get hillary crowd who consider russiagate a fabricated hoax.

Huh?
I don't believe Putin/russia swung the election.
I don't know if the Drumpf campaign shared voter demographic data with any russians but even if they did see above.
As far as Mueller's investigation I've always said if he finds anything on Drumpf it's likely to be common corruption- probably money laundering.
Well... until Drumpf started monkeying around with the investigation(s). Now he's also on the hook for Obstruction.
But that's a self-inflicted wound and a relatively recent one at that.

Secondly, if its nothing why not just post it up?

And knowingly, willingly allow the spread of partisan misleading propaganda?
Riiiight... what could possibly go wrong? LoL
Look at how FauxNewbs and other reich-wing infotainment purveyors are already spinning this up as some kinda Holy Grail of Drumpf meatshielding?
It would be funny if it wasn't so detrimental to functional and rational governance.

Now if they would release not only the memo but also the intelligence documents on which it was apparently based (documents the same republicans touting the memo decided they didn't need to see for themselves, oddly enough) then we might have something worth eyeballing.

But that's not going to happen. The excuse will be: "because secrets" but the reality is that seeing those documents would expose the memo for the wildly inaccurate and flawed interpretation of events that it most assuredly is. Again maybe I'm wrong but I seriously doubt I am.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2018, 01:03:20 PM »

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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2018, 01:20:22 PM »

I too was briefly hopeful he would accept Jill's offer to join her on the Green ticket.
Although I knew Bernie had promised to "get in line" behind Hilliary if she won the primary it still galled because of the way she did so.
My belief that Bernie is one of the few 'good ones' is intact but unless he runs as an independent or 3rd party candidate I'd be hesitant to throw more money at his campaign. The DNC hasn't changed so there's nothing to stop them from rigging the next primary, too.

Quite. But unlike you, I can't look at the guy now and not remember how he fell into line, even going as far as to beseech those who his Pied Piper routine had swayed into supporting the democratic party not to turn their backs on the blue ticket "because Trump". I'd heard enough of that shit from Hillary's side.


And you know what? All the wild fingerpointing about the supposed evils of The Don... even if they were true and provably so... did NOT excuse Hillary's actions. Hell, we had an open admission from her being deceptive to the electorate, of publicly dissembling her back room dealings "because we really shouldn't be allowed to know about such things". Not on. You don't get to hold invitation only "public" rallies behind a wall of white noise generators and not expect people to wonder just what the fuck it is you're up to with all those high paying guests... what it is that's being cooked up at your expense. In that respect, Trump was streets ahead of her, and even while much of his rhetoric ultimately turned out to be empty, he at least maintained a better illusion of what he could do and that is of course what suckered a lot of people in. This did not become apparent until after the election when he was naming those Republicans to be in his favoured circle; thats when the whole lie about "draining the swamp" came unstuck, and of course by then it was a little too late to do anything about it.


Not that I think he really could have, he is after all just one man and history is replete with examples of men standing up to deliver on their promises and getting ventilated for their troubles. The point is, he sold a dream that Hillary wasn't selling, a dream that a lot of people were keen to see come to pass. Most have given up on that, some are pointing to his other achievements and crowing "ahhh, but but but..."but it's like O'Bummer and his promise to shut down Gitmo; as time goes on, it's becoming increasingly apparent that whatever intentions The Don might have regarding delivering on certain promises, they aren't sufficient in the face of those who are there to make sure he doesn't. With a bullet or three, if it comes to that.


And by all accounts, it's that very language which the Clintons speak, which I guess is what endeared themselves to the establishment. It's that more than anything which had Trump pip Hillary at the post, at least as far as I am concerned. Quixotic? Probably, but then you'd have to call your own vote as tilting your hat at windmills too. Not that it's futile mind you, even the gesture itself has merit - you're sending a message. And if enough people hear that message, perhaps one day there might be some actual real change in your favour.


But yeah- being told in the general election we HAD to choose between Horrible and Terrible didn't work for me.
I can be stubborn like that.

I don't blame you. Then again, I come from a country where the people by and large understand there is a third option... and a fourth and a fifth and so forth.
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Re: #releasethememo
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2018, 02:21:18 PM »

Well apparently they've recovered the "missing" messages between the FBI agents in the "secret society", this is building up a head of steam now.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/25/doj-inspector-general-finds-fbi-text-messages-lost/

What also leads me to beleive this is for real is one of the recovered messages to Antony Weiner posted on wikileaks, I think the source is right, were Hillary says "If he wins we all go to jail".

This and loads of other stuff suggests a smoking gun, which this could be.
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