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Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« on: February 20, 2011, 08:07:52 AM »

I have been approached by a number of people who think that we should get rid of the Shoutbox. I won't put words in their mouth as to why so I will let them and anyone else who wishes to weigh in on this to state their case here.

Personally, I like SB but don't feel that strongly about it one way or the other. If a clear majority thinks that it is bad for the forum overall due to the content or whatever other reason, I will get rid of it. If a very tight majority thinks that same thing, then I will be inclined to keep it as that indicates that there is plenty of support for it even though it may not be a majority.

Another thing which has been mentioned to me is to get rid of the Shoutbox but keep the Chat Room for those who want to chat. That may be the best compromise but I am not not certain if that is workable. The SB and Chat are both integrated so I need to check the coding to see if it can be done. However, unless there is support for this option, I am not going immerse myself in that now for what may turn out to be nothing. No sense in doing so if no one is going to use the Chat Room.

Thus, the poll contains a third and fourth option to gauge support for a Chat Room to see if it is worth looking into - if we get rid of the SB, would you migrate to forum Chat?

Everyone has one vote for each issue and all the space they need here to make their case and attempt to sway others to see it their way.


 
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 08:13:51 AM »


Personally, I like SB but don't feel that strongly about it one way or the other.

^^^ that is what I think..


keep it, it works here for people..... I have trouble using it.. so you won't see me in it very much... if I have to say something urgent to you or someone else, I will just PM them.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 08:30:30 AM »

First of all, it's quirky. Very frustrating to type out a response and have it not go through. Secondly, there's really nothing of interest to any potential new members seeing it for the first time, as a matter of fact, it's probably a turn off seeing a Johnny/Looney exchange of nigger/faggot one-liners when one logs on. I for one don't want to feel like I've got to prune the motherfucker every day. And finally, there does, occasionally get thread-worthy subjects talked about in there. Lord knows this joint needs more threads being started.

With that being said, I realize that some folks really like it, and like to babble in it. I would like it better if it wasnt on the index, or just plain canned and the folks that like to yap could use the chat room, which is on a different page. But as BRA1N said, that may not be possible. BRA1N, have you asked over at SMF if this is feasible? If not, I'll give it a go.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 08:40:49 AM »

I have been approached by a number of people who think that we should get rid of the Shoutbox. I won't put words in their mouth as to why so I will let them and anyone else who wishes to weigh in on this to state their case here.

Personally, I like SB but don't feel that strongly about it one way or the other. If a clear majority thinks that it is bad for the forum overall due to the content or whatever other reason, I will get rid of it. If a very tight majority thinks that same thing, then I will be inclined to keep it as that indicates that there is plenty of support for it even though it may not be a majority.

Another thing which has been mentioned to me is to get rid of the Shoutbox but keep the Chat Room for those who want to chat. That may be the best compromise but I am not not certain if that is workable. The SB and Chat are both integrated so I need to check the coding to see if it can be done. However, unless there is support for this option, I am not going immerse myself in that now for what may turn out to be nothing. No sense in doing so if no one is going to use the Chat Room.

Thus, the poll contains a third and fourth option to gauge support for a Chat Room to see if it is worth looking into - if we get rid of the SB, would you migrate to forum Chat?

Everyone has one vote for each issue and all the space they need here to make their case and attempt to sway others to see it their way.


 


What a surprise.

Though, I have to ask why members of your management would want to deny the board the very thing that has helped to maintain a level of activity here?
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 08:48:00 AM »

Not trying to deny the board of anything, Vixen. Like I said, it does serve a purpose..but it doesnt belong on the index, imo. The mission statement of this board pretty much is that this is a joint for discussion/debate with a light flaming undertone. The SB adds nothing to that at all. Much akin to you.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2011, 09:07:59 AM »

 :giggle:@ light flaming tone...

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Vixen likes the shout box... it should stay on that merit alone. I am amazed she even gives any of you the time of day.

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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2011, 09:10:51 AM »

Brain, my shout box can be seen on every forum... but naturally no guests can see it.

I turned off that ez portal thingy because apparently, all the shouts used to go somewhere and idiots like Twap and Alpo could read them as well.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2011, 09:16:48 AM »

:giggle:@ light flaming tone...

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Vixen likes the shout box... it should stay on that merit alone. I am amazed she even gives any of you the time of day.

I'm non committal on the issue Catherine. I don't care either way.

I believe it has already served its purpose. Right Bra1n?   :lol:
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2011, 09:27:28 AM »

It would be more helpful if you all stick to the reasons for wanting to get rid of it or keeping it like Kid did. The forum is going to take a major update next weekend which will delete the SB and the question is whether to re-install it or not.

Caskur just gave me an idea which might make it feasible to hide the SB but keep the Chat so speak up if you would use chat.

And not to sound like Twap but the votes that count are those made in the poll, not the posts. The posts are for discussion.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 09:31:29 AM »

I'm not sure what Caskur suggested, but I was wondering if it could be hidden inside a new board section entitled Shoutbox, on the index...that thought crossed my mind yesterday.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2011, 09:34:44 AM »

It would be more helpful if you all stick to the reasons for wanting to get rid of it or keeping it like Kid did. The forum is going to take a major update next weekend which will delete the SB and the question is whether to re-install it or not.

Caskur just gave me an idea which might make it feasible to hide the SB but keep the Chat so speak up if you would use chat.

And not to sound like Twap but the votes that count are those made in the poll, not the posts. The posts are for discussion.

Each poll vote should accompany a post detailing 'why - for/against'. Otherwise, you'll have a situation where Angelo's 10 alts rig the credibility of the poll. And we wouldnt want any of that carrying on.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2011, 09:41:43 AM »

I am voting to keep it then....

I trust B to sort out the issues..

I do see people using it when the could devote more time to actually writing something decent in the other forums but silly trolls (no, not you Fez, you dick) need an outlet.

AND Brain can always undo the vote anyway.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2011, 09:42:37 AM »

I'm not sure what Caskur suggested, but I was wondering if it could be hidden inside a new board section entitled Shoutbox, on the index...that thought crossed my mind yesterday.

It can be hidden right now by clicking the "-" sign next to the title but making a new page for it to match the theme and all the css is way too complicated. The forum isn't conducive to making a new subforum to put things in.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2011, 09:45:54 AM »

I know that each individual can "hide" the SB...that wasnt my point..my point was made for potential new members/guests joining that just check out the place. That's the first thing they see, and anyone that actually may join the joint for potential serious discussion/debate would be turned off by a lot of the crap posted in the SB, imo.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2011, 09:49:27 AM »

I am voting to keep it then....

I trust B to sort out the issues..

I do see people using it when the could devote more time to actually writing something decent in the other forums but silly trolls (no, not you Fez, you dick) need an outlet.

AND Brain can always undo the vote anyway.

I think Bra1n is under pressure to remove the SB by members of management, and since management make up the bulk of active members here.. you can imagine, Bra1n doesn't want to take any risks that might incur their wrath and subsequent departure.

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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2011, 10:32:27 AM »

Yes Vix but I am too wrapped up in making something different (although done many times before)... to worry about trivialities..

Its going on one of your threads as long as you promise not to be bored beyond belief..

we shall see...
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2011, 10:45:04 AM »

I know that each individual can "hide" the SB...that wasnt my point..my point was made for potential new members/guests joining that just check out the place. That's the first thing they see, and anyone that actually may join the joint for potential serious discussion/debate would be turned off by a lot of the crap posted in the SB, imo.

That can addressed by requiring 25 posts or some other number before they can see it, i think.

EDIT - in looking at the code, another thing which can be changed is enabling it only on certain days or hours of the day which is interesting because that can cut the time that people lurk in it and possibly, maybe make them post instead - without getting rid of it completely.

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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2011, 12:49:04 PM »

I don't think we should get rid of the shout box all together, but we should use it for quick chats, not hold whole conversations in it.  We should use the chat box for lengthy convos.

btw, my 10 other alts will be around later to vote.  Maybe we'll mix it up in the voting, who knows. ::)
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2011, 12:54:12 PM »

The sb has killed the forums as i spelled out to you before dra1n. It also allows trolls to run riot, first niggot now cacker.
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Re: Should We Ditch the Shoutbox?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2011, 03:49:14 PM »

Keep it but hide it. It serves a pupose but any potential new member/guest who comes here looking for intelligent discourse will run a mile if they see the general conversations in there. My vote therefore is going to be for keeping it but with those provisos.
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